Thursday, April 9, 2015

Candice on Cancer, Part II

[Written by reader Ella as a guest post].
Candice on Cancer, Part 2.

Things have a blown up somewhat over at Facebook, which reminds me why I so rarely go there. Candice is very angry that Violet and other sense-talking people are demanding clarification of the more outlandish aspects of her story, and Candice’s supporters are equally crabby. In fact, Candice has alleged that we are all different iterations of Violet, or a small army of humanoids, all called Violet.

I’m compelled to point out that Candice is the one who chose to make her story public. When you publish something, it’s fair game. I mean, I don’t mind if Candice wants to claim that she lives in a pineapple under the sea. But if she wants to claim that pineapples shrink cancerous tumours, and to pitch that claim to the public with a falsified personal story, then she needs to be prepared for a detoxifying dose of reason.

Candice on Cancer, Part 2: “There’s no, ‘here you go, here’s some broccoli.’”

Picking up where we left off yesterday, Candice had visited a “laboratory in Fremantle” that deals in “natural cancer cures.” but she didn’t follow through with it. She says:

CANDICE: “I ended up being scared into the surgery…I went to two different surgeons, and they both said the same thing: total thyroidectomy, take all the lymph nodes out, then radiation, possible chemo, blah blah blah. When I went in there and I said to them ‘look, I want to do it naturally,’ he was just like ‘oh, okay, yeah. If you do it naturally, if you leave it for another year and it takes over, you might lose your voice, you know, it will probably eat at your vocal cords’ – really scare tactics – and he was like ‘and then you’ll probably die.’ Like, literally.”

Yes, you read that correctly. Candice’s oncologist is deploying “scare tactics,” in the same way that my dentist uses scare tactics when she tells me my teeth will probably decay if I don’t brush them, or my bungee instructor tells me that jumping off a bridge without a rope would be less fun than it sounds.

CANDICE: “So I just sat there sh*****g myself thinking ‘okay, why is my head saying that I can do this without this mass corporation? Why am I thinking that I can? Maybe I’m wrong.’ So I just started doubting myself, questioning myself […]. And you’ve got these doctors and surgeons in high-up places who ‘know their s**t’ [finger quotes] telling you that you’re going to kill yourself if you don’t do it their way. And they did say that, you know. It was THAT intense. Like ‘if you go that way, you’ll probably kill yourself.’”
[…] I was just like, ‘I don’t want to kill myself, okay I’ll go your way.’ […] And then, 90% survival rate, they gave me, from doing it their way. They were like, ‘yeah, high chances, we’ll just take out the thyroid, you might not even need radiation, we’ll see how you go.’”

Note that she is now saying the doctors have given her “high chances” of recovery and a “90% survival rate.” Just moments earlier, she told us that when this mysterious doctor  - let’s call him “Doctor Pilbara” - delivered her initial diagnosis, she was told “my chances of survival are very slim.” Presumably what she means is that without treatment her chances are slim.

SNARY: “But they’d pretty much written you off if you decided to go the natural route.”

CANDICE: “Yeah…because it’s…all over my neck, they say basically it’s just going to keep growing and take over. I was like ‘there must be something more you can do.’ […] Straight away you are given an oncologist, [put] into their system; a surgeon, radiologist…like, there’s no ‘here you go, here’s some broccoli,’ you know, ‘that helps with cancer.’ There’s none of that.”

I’m trying really hard not to keep interjecting, because I think Candice’s spectacular stupidity speaks for itself. But I can’t let this one slide. Candice is complaining that when diagnosed with a serious disease she was referred to three relevant specialists very quickly, and that those specialists did not offer her broccoli. Now, I’m not based in Perth, but I am Australian. Where I live, medical specialists have waiting lists and broccoli does not. In fact, any individual of modest means can waltz into any supermarket and purchase broccoli over the counter, no questions asked. So I’m not sure why Candice feels she needs medical specialists to prescribe the…you know what? You get the picture. Let’s move on.

SNARY: “So they don’t look at it from more [of] a holistic manner, it’s just surgery, treatment…”

CANDICE: “Yeah, it’s just ‘take it out,’ it’s just chop and burn, it’s like ‘cut it out, burn it, off you go. You can carry on drinking wine, you can carry on eating your meat, it’s fine.’ [That’s] exactly what they say. 
So when I had it chopped out, I had a horrific experience in the hospital. The surgeon, who is like the best surgeon in Perth, done over 10,000 thyroidectomies, in error, cut out my parathyroids. 
So I literally am in hospital, and I started feeling really ill…all of sudden my body locked up. So my hands just went like *this* [makes clawing motions], I couldn’t move, like literally screaming. The nurse has come in, and [I] was like ‘I’m dying, I’m dying.’ I felt like I was dying, because everything was just seizing. I was like ‘I’m dying, I’m dying.’ I could just feel, like, a tear, trickle down my face, like literally. And I don’t even know, I just, like, my heart, *BOOM,* *BOOM,* *BOOM!* 
And the nurse come [sic] in, and I said…‘I’m dying, I’m dying.’ 
And she was just like ‘no, you’re not.’ 
And I was like, ‘what’s wrong with me then?’ 
And she was just like, ‘I don’t know, love.’ [Roars with laughter]. 
And I’m like, ‘Well then how do you know I’m not dying, [for] f***’s sake?’ 
And then an older lady…she [the first nurse]must have been like a trainee. And then an older lady came in, and she was just like, ‘okay, her calcium levels are low, we just checked her bloods, it’s…below 180, la la la la la,’ and then they injected me and put some calcium in my mouth, and then I was just…trying to drink it. And then they started un-prising [sic] my hands apart, and like easing my muscles, and then they found out that, yeah, all my parathyroids had been taken out in error in the surgery. Which is, there’s a lot of cancer there, fine. But you don’t expect that to happen from a top surgeon. So, forever I would have to take calcium tablets as well as thyroid replacement tablets.”

This is baffling. Is she saying there “WAS a lot of cancer” in the parathyroids? Or is she saying that “IF there was a lot of cancer in the parathyroids it would have been acceptable to remove them?” Wouldn’t she have had to take thyroid supplements anyway after a thyroidectomy? At the very beginning of the podcast, Candice says “obviously I'm on replacement thyroid hormones,” but now she seems to be implying that she only has to take them because of the surgeon’s error.

SNARY: “Was there any benefit at all of taking the parathyroid out?”

CANDICE: “No, no, no, he just done it [sic]…no, he stuffed up. It was an error. Like an absolute error to do that, he shouldn’t have taken it out. […] The whole situation was awful in the hospital…the coffee lady comes ‘round with two sugars and stuff like that, you’ve got fried food…”

SNARY [Enraged]: “NO S***!”

CANDICE: “They are keeping everybody, like, ill.”

SNARY: “F***.”

Yeah. Candice has alleged that hospitals are “keeping everybody, like, ill.” If true, this would be a massive, global conspiracy. In fact that concept of conspiracy is at the heart of the “wellness” paradigm.

Candice goes on to complain at length about hospital food. Adrian Snary seems to be more upset about that than the accusations of malpractice Candice has just leveled at the “best surgeon in Perth.”

I won’t include the whole hospital rant, because what we’re particularly interested in is how she arrived at her current understanding of her own prognosis, and why she claims to have cured her cancer herself.

SNARY: “Which hospital were you at?”

CANDICE: “I was at [Sir] Charles Gairdner [Hospital, in Western Australia]. The whole situation there was just not good […]. I was reading this book about doing it the natural way, because…even though I’ve done it their way, I’m still gonna, like, see what I can do myself […]. The whole hospital situation was s***.”

Now this is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside a banana skin. If Candice has already had surgery and radiation to treat the cancer, what exactly is it that she is planning to “do herself?” I’m not convinced Candice even knows the answer to this question, as she seems to be unclear on virtually every aspect of her diagnosis, treatment and recovery.

SNARY: “How long were you in hospital for?”

CANDICE: “I was in hospital for a few weeks […]. I came out of surgery with this massive scar on my neck…swollen…given crap food, just constantly pumped with morphine, and…I was out of it, and then…I just felt so depressed, and I’ve never felt that depressed in my life. But I kept getting all these pharmaceuticals thrown at me. Now I’m looking back, it’s like ‘no wonder I was fucking depressed.’ I was pumped with so much crap.” 

I’d be interested to know how she would have fared without morphine and whatever other “pharmaceuticals” were “thrown at her.”

SNARY: “Just crap, yeah. I mean, having said that, I think we should make the point – I mean, I’m not into the pharmaceutical industry and that whole thing, but we have to admit, they do have a benefit.”

:D

CANDICE: “Oh, they do, they do.”

SNARY: “Like, there are some great points to it. It’s just the misuse of it.”

CANDICE: “Yeah, yeah yeah. They do. I just…like, I’m not putting down the health industry or whatever, or the sickness industry…

*facepalm*

CANDICE: “…I just feel like it’s a  bit twisted, what’s going on. Like, they’re keeping people ill in hospitals with the food […].” 

SNARY: “Yeah, ‘just give me some broccoli, please!’”

CANDICE: “Luckily, I was already pretty healthy. Like, I didn’t do the carbs and all that. I didn’t really give in to the coffees and all that.”

This is interesting, because earlier in the podcast Candice said that prior to her cancer diagnosis: “I didn't treat my body [well] growing up…it was like drink, drugs, partying...I was damaging my system from about 13… partying, having fun.” She adds that as recently as the honeymoon immediately preceding diagnosis, “we [had] meats, drink, cheeky cigarettes here and there. All brilliant stuff for, like, breeding disease.” She’s full of contradictions.

One of my favourite parts is coming up. Candice tells Snary that the hospital offered her “brown bread” and a “fried pancake with [beef] mince in.” That is just too much for Adrian Snary to handle.

SNARY: “That is f****d, Candice.”

CANDICE: “I’ll tell you another f****d story that’s even more f****d than that. So when I was in radiation, so anyway I had the surgery and then they booked me in for radiation, so that was gonna mop up all the rest, so they got the most out and…”

SNARY: “How long after you had the surgery did they start that?”

CANDICE: “So that was October. So September…um, no, October I had the surgery and then December I had the radiation.”

Candice describes the radiation at length here. I’ll skip most of it, because it all sounds pretty routine. What is interesting, though, is that she seems to have interpreted the procedure itself as a personal insult. She does that a lot.

CANDICE: “[I’m] Sitting in there, and then they come in, there’s this woman in a space suit. Like, no s***. It’s a massive, like tripled-her-size space suit. And like she’s got this capsule, it’s like something out of a movie…and then she’s got these tweezers, and then she’s talking you through it, and she’s like, ‘okay, Candice, I’m gonna take the tablet.’ Like, ‘you take it.’ Like literally she’s covered, and I’m just standing there like *me,* like…”

SNARY: “You’ve got an alien standing in front of you.”

CANDICE: “Yeah! I was just like, ‘what is going on?’ And she’s got this capsule, and she said, ‘I’m going to open it, I want you to take it, and then drink some water.’ So she passed me this capsule, and I’m just like ‘oh my god, this is like…I didn’t feel anything, I couldn’t see any radiation, you know what I mean?”

No, Candice. We don’t know what you mean. In fact I personally would be more worried if you could see the radiation. I can certainly imagine how Twilight-Zoney the whole radiation process is. But I can’t relate to Candice’s sense of outrage that anyone would submit her to the procedure in the first place. She is clearly under the impression that was unnecessary, and unnecessarily weird. As though the space suit is a superfluous and ridiculous detail meant to alienate the patient.

CANDICE: “She just looked f****** weird, and scared me, and I was like, ‘why are you that protected, and I’m not.’ And then I took the tablet, drunk [sic] the water, and then she stood back, and she went *WOO WOO WOO* with this [waves an invisible radiation monitor].”

SNARY: “WHOOAAH!”

CANDICE: “No s***! She scanned me. Then she’s like, ‘so you are reading blah blah blah,’ like high numbers of radiation. She goes, ‘just keep drinking water, pass it through your system, and then you can be let out when it’s at this number.’”

After a long discussion about hospital food, things get interesting. This is where Candice explains how she arrived at the conclusion that she only has five years to live.

CANDICE: “Then I had to go into a…it was like a special cancer, kind of, outhouse [does she mean “outpatient” facility?] where you just…it’s a stop-gap, so you don’t go into normal society, because you’re still radioactive. So you’re not allowed to…sit on toilets, and la la la, like, without passing the radiation through, or on buses. So I just stayed there for a week […].  
The Monday after [radiation] I went in for a scan…and my doctor wasn’t there, and the guy that was there, he was all, ‘oh I think I’d rather your doctor gave you the news.’ 
And I was like ‘No, I don’t want to wait, she’s on holiday. Can you give me the news?’ 
And he was just like, ‘are you sure?’ 
And…I was just like…‘Tell me. Like just tell me.’ 
And he was just like ‘I’m really sorry to tell you this… the cancer has spread. It’s now gone into your right lung, it’s gone more down your chest lymph nodes, it’s in the back of your neck – the lymph nodes that weren’t affected – I had five tumours on my liver…they were benign, but they were still there…and he said basically, ‘you’re looking at like five years left to live.’ 
And I was [sic] just looked at him, and I was just like…instantly, I was like, ‘how do you know five years? Instantly, I was like ‘where do you get five years from?’”
[He said]: ‘Oh, just, you know, because cases, and, you know, we’ve seen this happen before, statistics, la la la. It’s about five years, you know, give or take.’ 
I was like, ‘oh, give or take.’ I couldn’t believe it.”

They were benign, but they were still there. What does that mean? Why is she under the impression that the benign tumours in her liver had anything to do with the malignancy in her thyroid? Were the “precancerous cells” in her right lung actually due to the thyroid cancer metastasizing? Or could they have been attributable to the smoking habit she repeatedly references in this interview? Who was this “guy” that supposedly told her she had five years to live? Isn’t this the second time someone standing in for her actual doctor has broken the news of a death sentence to her?

Well, fortunately a “certified nutritionist” is about to step in and clear everything up for her, literally. For a small fee of mere thousands. More tomorrow.

FYI, in the interests of transparency, please note that I do not actually have a bungee instructor. And if I ever do bungee-jump, it will be on my own terms, with my own rope, off whatever bridge or tall building I choose. Nobody tells ME how to prevent my own death.

91 comments:

  1. Hahaha the cancer outhouse!, stay in the outhouse Candice, cos you are full of shit

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  2. Still with the sock puppets and conspiracy theories. Sheesh.

    Candice-Marie Fox, if you're reading this: yeah, you're right. I'm a sock puppet of Violet. I confess to everything. My Twitter account (@kcIMT122) was started two and a half years ago by Violet, has posted more than 30,000 tweets & amassed more than 300 followers, for the sole purpose of going after you.

    All that stuff I tweeted - I mean, Violet tweeted - that wasn't about you? The tweets about politics, literature, language, science, social justice, education, public transport, feminism, bigotry, LGBT rights, and a hundred other subjects? That was just a ruse to disguise my true purpose. Now that you're on to me, I'll go change my Twitter name to "Violet's Sock Puppet".

    As for the rest of your dribblings in the interview above - I can't handle it this early in the morning. I need some caffeine.

    Ella: again, well done. I dips me lid.

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    1. I know! It's ridiculous! I don't even take public transport! (or as we call it where I am from, "public transportation")

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    2. I don't know how to change the little avatar next to my comments on this page, but if I did, I'd change it to a picture of a sock puppet.

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    3. Thanks Karen. And yes, she really is starting to ramble like a madwoman. If she is going to accuse detractors of being sock puppets, then how do we know her supporters are not the same? It's all very childish. She simply needs to answer the questions put to her squarely, and quit the conspiracy nonsense. In fact, no conspiracy would acquit her of the obligation to deal openly and honestly with the public.

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    4. That is what I do not understand. Who we are or what our "agenda" is has no bearing on her ethical obligation to be truthful and to correct any falsehoods out there about her cancer story.

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  3. Ella, you really are amazing to have the perseverance to transcribe this drivel.

    I guess it's a good thing that CMF has made herself available for long-form interviews. There's no cure for stupid, holistic or otherwise, and I can't see many people being attracted to what she's selling once they've had the opportunity to hear her or see her quoted verbatim.

    One thing I did notice with the Belle Gibson affair was how surprised people were when they actually saw the few available videos of her and noted how inarticulate she was compared to the slick PR persona. They were much more likely to view her as a manufactured fraud after that...and Belle seems like a Rhodes scholar compared with Candice.

    Anyway, I hope I'm not overestimating the intelligence of the general population in thinking there can't be too many people dumb enough to buy into her schtick.

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    1. My main concern is that people with cancer are very often desperate and vulnerable enough to look beyond all of this if someone offers them the promise of any easy cure. The initial news reports stated that she had stage iv cancer (in her liver) which she cured using pineapples. No matter how inarticulate the mouthpiece, that is incredibly seductive to someone who really wants to live.

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    2. Hi Violet,

      No doubt you're correct; I shouldn't assume that because CFM comes across as ignorant, her message may not be so dangerous. I've had very little exposure to, or knowledge of, this 'woo' stuff until the last few weeks.

      I do know how strong the desire to live can be. Without wishing to be morbid, in my past working life I've attended people as they've passed from cancer. Sometimes it's peaceful, occasionally harrowing as they fight to the last breath or go out crying.

      So I have nothing but contempt for people who hold out false hope to the vulnerable...and those that seek to profit from false hope should feel the full force of the law and public scorn.

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    3. I do agree with you that an articulate and intelligent mouthpiece is much more dangerous. But with modern social media, these people do not have to write a book or go on speaking tours (like they did 20 years ago). They just have to post "inspirational" slogans and a pretty picture here and there and people just eat it right up.

      People who have cancer have enough problems. The last thing they need is false hope or feeling guilty that they did not commit to a regime of self-love like Candice did. (I believe she deleted that, BTW).

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    4. CMF's message, articulate or not, feeds right into the beliefs that many people (educated and uneducated alike) hold - that there's a giant conspiracy going on, that doctors are withholding the cure from us, that the cure is out there in the natural world and is being covered up because it's cheap or can't be patented. If the message is one that you want to hear, you'll tend to overlook the shortcomings of the messenger.

      I'm guilty of that myself sometimes. As a rule, I tend to judge people by their written expression, and - fairly or not, consciously or not - will ascribe more value to a viewpoint that's well articulated. If your ideas are rubbish, and on top of that your written expression is poor - well, that's just another reason why I needn't pay any attention to you. But here's the thing: if I agree strongly with your viewpoint, or if you're someone I consider a friend, I find myself prepared to make allowances for your poor expression. Maybe you're dyslexic, or lacking formal education, or in a hurry, or English isn't your first language, or whatever. Basically you're a Good Guy. You're on my side.

      I'm not particularly proud of this. It's the ideas I should be judging, not the package in which they are presented. At the very least, if I do judge people according to their facility with written English, I should be holding everyone to the same standard. But at least I recognise that bias in myself, and I try to be aware of it when I'm reading someone's viewpoint.

      Getting back to CMF's message feeding into people's conspiracy theories... I was at the hairdresser a few months ago. I can't remember how we got onto the subject, but the hairdresser was talking about how the medical profession is keeping the cure for cancer from us, and why is it than cancer survival rates had never EVER improved, blah blah blah. You know the sort of thing. I pointed out to her that firstly, cancer isn't one disease, it's many, and secondly, the survival rate for some types of cancers has improved out of sight in the past few decades.

      "You don't remember the 1960s, because you weren't there. You're not old enough," I said. "I was there. Back then, childhood cancer such as leukemia was virtually a death sentence. There was literally nothing to treat it with. The best you could hope for was spontaneous remission. Many people knew someone who had lost a child to cancer. My mum lost her best friend at school to leukemia. A close friend of mine lost her little brother to leukemia. But these days, many childhood cancers are curable. Many of us know someone who survived childhood cancer and is now a healthy teenager or adult. Magic water and crystals didn't do that. Coffee enemas and kale didn't do that. Chemotherapy, surgery and radiation did that, courtesy of the same doctors you seem so keen to condemn."

      Amazingly, this was all news to her. She had no idea that cancer used to be almost universally fatal. And that's the problem - people are spouting these theories without any real historical knowledge, and believing anything which confirms what they want to believe. Whether the speaker is articulate or not doesn't matter if it plays into their existing biases.

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    5. Great post Karen. It often seems to me that many people just have it in their heads that cancer *ought* to be easily curable, and that is why there must be some big conspiracy out there. They cannot accept that there is something that modern medical science still struggles with. There have been amazing inroads, but sadly cancer is still a death sentence for many. I remember Jessica Ainscough saying that her disease didn't make any sense to her, and she was right. It didn't make sense. It was something completely random and nonsensical and it happened to her and the only treatment option was disfiguring and offered no guarantee of a cure. That is why fantasy-based medicine is so dangerous: it promises to make "sense" of everything. It lies to desperate people when they want nothing more than to make sense out of what is happening to them. I suppose it is the natural human condition to want an explanation, but sometimes there simply isn't one.

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    6. I find a useful metaphor is cosmic dice. They're out there being thrown, every day, affecting every aspect of your life. Every now and then, they're going to come up double-six. You didn't do anything to cause it. It just happened. It's random. We don't grasp the concept of randomness very well.

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    7. So true. Humans are programmed to recognise patterns in things. This served us well through prehistoric times - but now we have an understanding of statistics, and experts who can apply stats within the scientific method. It should make more of us aware of unrelated correlations - but clearly this is not so.
      Is it wilful igorance, a failure of our education system, a product of the self-esteem movement or is she just the jackpot you get when you mix all three?

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    8. Kass, thanks for your comments. I don't think you should feel ashamed of judging people by "their written expression" when those people are attempting to market a demonstrably unscientific concept to a large public audience. That's not pride, that's academic rigour.

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    9. It was actually me, not Kass, who said that in a written forum they tend to judge people by their written expression (whether fairly or not). But I'm glad to have it called academic rigour rather than snobbery or smugness.

      Kass simply commented on how inarticulate both Gibson and CMF are when speaking, and how that might be a good thing because people will see for themselves that the package isn't as polished as they thought, and will be less likely to be seduced by it. As I said earlier, I think that's a forlorn hope; whether consciously or not, we cut a fair bit of slack to people we like or agree with.

      Have you ever heard of Monika Milka from Adelaide? (Google her - there's at least one clip on YouTube. Try the one titled "Quackery of the first order".) Rough as guts. Yet, amazingly, she has customers. Lots of them. *shakes head in disbelief*

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    10. I wouldn't be proud of it & I think snobbery sums it up.

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    11. Sorry, Karen. After all that transcribing, you can't expect me to differentiate between people whose names both start with the same letter. ;)

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    12. Anonymous, I did say that I'm not particularly proud of it. But I am aware of it. When I read someone's contribution to the debate, I'm constantly asking myself: am I attaching less weight to this person's argument because they wrote "your" instead of "you're", or "should of"?

      We all have biases of some sort or another, something (language, accent, education, class, wealth, appearance, fashion, race, sex, sexuality, etc.) that we judge, that would make someone else accuse us of snobbery or bigotry. Every one of us has some kind of bias. Even you. The only difference is that some of us are more prepared than others to admit to them.

      The best we can do is recognise them, get them out there in the open, talk about them, and do our best not to let them influence us in situations where it matters.

      Ella, no need to apologise. I feel I've dropped a couple of IQ points just through reading the transcript. If I'd been forced to listen to it and transcribe it, I'd be distinctly woolly-brained by the end of it.

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  4. I still don't understand what she means by pre-cancerous cells.
    If the cancer has spread, they are cancerous cells.
    And if they were precancerous (maybe like that is found in colon polyps?), how would a scan show that? You would have to have a biopsy and have the cells tested.
    That part just makes zero sense.

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    1. I'm curious about this too. She actually confesses to having been a smoker, so perhaps the "pre-cancerous cells" have more to do with that than the thyroid cancer.

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  5. It's a worry when the one telling the story doesn't have the facts in front of them. She shouldn't need to be chasing up her medical records at the 11th hour, she should have had her ducks in a row well before uttering a single word about her cancer journey.
    Cancer patients shouldn't have to wade through river loads of excriment to find useful and truthful information - if it indeed exists.
    She should close her FB account immediately and clean things up before she even considers launching whatever she has planned.

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    1. I totally agree. We were trying to get that message across to her, but either she has chosen to ignore it or she never really understood what we were getting at. There are several articles is widely circulating news sites which state that she had stage four cancer in her liver which she cured by eating pineapples. She has since said that she never had stage four cancer and that the "cancer" in her liver were benign tumors. I do not think she understands how serious this is. This is a lie that could potentially cost someone their life. We have tried numerous times to drill into her head the seriousness of what she has put out there, but we are only met with fuzzy promises and accusations of being troll and sock puppets. It is incredibly sad to me that she does not care enough to put a stop to this whole thing. She needs to contact the media and set the whole thing straight. It cannot wait two months or however long it will take to have an investigator compile her medical records (huh?). This whole thing is a travesty and she does not take it seriously.

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    2. I don't think she cares. At first I thought she was maybe a misguided cancer patient who didn't fully understand the details of her own illness.

      But now I think she is someone who is out for fame and fortune, and doesn't give a damn who she hurts in the process.

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  6. This woman is so inarticulate. However this is neither a crime nor a necessary indication of intelligence. It is however difficult to read this transcript and take this woman at all seriously.

    I'd like to clarify her parathyroid comments. The parathyroids are 4 little glands associated with the thyroid. They control calcium levels in the body. In a TOTAL thyroidectony which Ms Fox states was her surgery there is a risk of permanently damaging these glands. If this occurs then she would need to be on calcium supplements for life (which she mentions). Permanent damage occurs less that 2% of the time and is something that any good surgeon would have counseled her about in the consent process. The surgeon she describes sounds like he is very qualified and I would be suprised if this wasn't communicated to Ms Fox (I suspect she has failed to recall the events correctly). Given that this surgeon had performed "over 10000" thyroidectomies I imagine his consent process is sound. Also from a stats point of view based on 10000 thyroidectomies, then up to 200 of his patients would have permanent parathyroid damage. This is not an error - it is the expected complication rate.

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    1. Thank you for that clarification. It is really important to me that people come here who can offer insights like this.

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    2. I agree. Ian, I hope you'll stick around on this blog. Some of us here are cancer survivors with direct experience of the kinds of procedures CMF talks about, some (like me) are just educated laypeople. I think most of us have reasonably good BS antennae and can recognise an implausible story when we hear one, but ultimately we're just speculating. An expert opinion on medical matters is most welcome.

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    3. I've been lurking a while but will add to more to the conversation if I can.

      Going back to the 2% complication rate. It's very hard when you end up being in that 2%. I imagine it would make one feel like everyone gets the complication. And there the seed is sown for future mistrust of the medical profession. It highlights the importance of medicos explaining things as best as they can to patients. Unfortunately there are often so many patients to see, doctors don't always get to spend the time they want to with each patient.

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    4. I agree with the proponents of fantasy-based medicine on that point. Doctors are busy and in demand, and patients often feel rushed and ignored. Someone like Candice probably expects to get a lot more attention than most people too. It would be nice if doctors could spend more time with their patients, but at the end of the day, Candice got really good medical care and she is alive today.

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    5. I just want to add my thanks for your insight, Ian. I'm transcribing a lot of this stuff in the hope that people like you can then examine the data and put the puzzle pieces together, so I really value your input.

      It's possibly the doctor did explain the procedure thoroughly to Candice and she misunderstood. She appears to have a very poor grasp of what has actually happened to her.

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  7. Ella I am just agog at this woman ... and at your incredible effort in transcribing this twaddle. I think you hit on something with your assessment that she seems to have taken her conventional treatment as some sort of personal affront/attack. She makes such little sense.

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    1. I chose to underline that part because I think Ella really hit the nail on the head there. Candice seems to believe that her doctors and surgeons were treating her poorly by giving her proper medical care. Shouldn't she be grateful? They saved her life.

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    2. Biting the hand that saves you. I cannot get my head around it.

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    3. Thanks! Candice's tendency to interpret all advice as a personal affront comes out more in the rest of the transcript. She defines her character and her illness in terms of resistance, which is why she's now started dismissing her critics as trolls and secret agents. We're just the embodiment of the imagined machine she's been raging against all these years.

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  8. And thank you for this excellent blog Violet.

    However I should make the disclaimer that I am part of the evil medical conveyor belt. Am yet to receive my Big Pharmacy kickbacks however. But I'm sure after having graduated high school, obtained entry into medicine, studying at university for 6 years, then doing 12 years of residency and specialty training and exam after exam that the Big Pharma payoff must be coming any day now!

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  9. She wouldn't even need to lose face - she could simply tell her followers that she has decided to suspend her page until her shinning beacon of proof is ready and warmed up to slay the sock puppet trolls who threaten their very existence.
    It would at the very least be the smart and professional thing to do considering the current climate.

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    1. This is why I believe her that she has never heard of Belle Gibson (sadly there are a lot of people out there who never read or follow the news). She would not have made her media debut if she had known about the Belle Gibson scandal. She had bad timing and the public was not going to take favorably to yet another one of these women. If she were smart then she would just shut the whole thing down.

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    2. Slaying sock puppet trolls - that is funny. I'm very tempted to create a profile image here and in FB, that shows a sock puppet:D

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  10. Argh. I have been quietly reading these comments and other posts for a while but I just can't stand it anymore. I can't stand it that Candice is so incredibly ungrateful for the expertise and medical care received for a serious medical condition. I wonder if she knows what a medical professional actually does for a living? Or how much study they have put themselves through so that they can save lives, and what they go through when they lose patients?
    I'm not a doctor, but I'm a Stage 3 cancer survivor and I am embarrassed at Candice's complete lack of gratitude. Candice, if you are reading this (and I doubt that you are, but you never know) maybe you should spend your time writing a card for your brilliant surgeons and oncologists who have saved your life. It has absolutely nothing to do with pineapples, or any other food for that matter. Except for that awful tea lady offering you 2 sugars with your tea, how dare she. Such evil lurking within the hospitals these days.
    Thanks for listening, I feel much better now.

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    1. I was just thinking that very thing. She has a very low opinion of the medical profession, and it is unreasonable. They study and train very hard for many years, they work long hours, and save lives, and sometimes despite their best efforts they watch severely ill patients die. It's not easy work. It is noble work.

      In Candice's situation, it's pretty clear that her physicians did an excellent job. I hope, for her sake, the cancer is genuinely gone, and that she didn't foolishly reject the final stage of a treatment designed to save her life.

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    2. There are some crappy docs out there (I really don't like my own oncologist for a variety of reasons), and every single one, even the best, are way over-booked. So I totally understand that she may have had a very unpleasant experience, especially if she was a bit of a "drama queen".

      But that doesn't change the fact that these conventional doctors and their treatments, even if they didn't cater to her ego, were what saved her life.

      I do wonder this...how much of this silliness she's promoting does she actually believe? People like Mark Simon are making money off of her, so is she being victimized as well? I don't know...

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    3. Oh, for sure. I'm unwell, and I've actually had a terrible time with doctors. The thing is, it doesn't sound like Candice had a terrible time with her oncologist. It sounds like Candice's oncologist had a terrible time with her.

      I think if Candice felt she didn't have a very good oncologist, that would be understandable. But she takes issue with the field of oncology at large (and conventional medicine at large) and that's unreasonable. You can judge an oncologist for telling a patient with cancer that they'll die without treatment, and you can't dismiss someone as a bad oncologist because they won't prescribe you broccoli.

      As for whether she's being victimised, she may have been at one point, but now she's a victimiser. If she's marketing her advice to the public based on her own wild claims, how is she any different from Mark Simon or Don Tolman?

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  11. "The Monday after [radiation] I went in for a scan…and my doctor wasn’t there, and the guy that was there, he was all, ‘oh I think I’d rather your doctor gave you the news.’
    And I was like ‘No, I don’t want to wait, she’s on holiday. Can you give me the news?’
    And he was just like, ‘are you sure?’
    And…I was just like…‘Tell me. Like just tell me.’
    And he was just like ‘I’m really sorry to tell you this..."


    I find it very hard to believe a radiologist would divulge scan results like this, let alone that she had 5 years to live. It would be a breach of protocol and s/he would risk losing his/her job. Ask any radiologist what they saw and the answer is always the same, "I'm sorry, but I can't."

    Violet, you're doing a good deed. Whether Candice realises it or not, people's lives are at risk.

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    1. I'm really grateful to Violet, too, for getting this blog up and running at exactly the right time!

      And yeah, this issue of who delivered Candice's results and issued the 5 year prognosis is really at the crux of the problem, isn't it?

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    2. I agree that that lat part is the fishiest in the story...

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    3. It sounds like it would have been a radiographer not even a radiologist.

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    4. Actually I have personal experience where during the first major follow-up months after RAI a radiologist who did my neck USG scan asked when I would be seeing my main doctor to discuss results. Since it was a few days later and I would be stressed, she said for now she sees nothing major to worry about, which was very valuable to my mental state. Quite frankly, I don't know if in my country's legal system that would be qualified as breach, but I can't imagine the same thing happening in case of bad news, especially terminal.

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    5. Coming in late here, hope that's okay...

      First, my brother was a radiographer/CT tech before finishing pharmacy school (he is now a D.Pharm). He worked at a large hospital in South Florida, and you're right, he was not permitted to discuss what he saw with the patient--that was for their doctor to do, especially since he had no idea what the patient's history might be.

      That said, it's not entirely uncommon for the rules to bend a little in the case of good news, as with you, Auma. When I had an HIV test years ago (just as a general thing, I wasn't worried) and called the clinic for my results, I was first informed that I had to come speak to a doctor in person--then the woman on the phone looked at my result, saw it was negative, and just told me over the phone, since it wasn't a situation that would require further counseling or treatment. That doesn't mean that if they refuse to give you any hint about your results it's automatically negative, just that they will sometimes go ahead and tell you if it is or appears to be good news.

      There is no way in Heck that my brother would have told a patient something like "You have five years to live," after doing a scan. Not only would he not know what someone's prognosis might be, he was not qualified nor did he want to deal with counseling someone in that situation.

      Second, my mother is an RN and worked in various ERs for over twenty years (this is a large part of the reason my brother went into medicine as well; we both essentially grew up hanging around hospitals), and Candice's rudeness about the nurse who gave her the radiation tablet (and the other nurses who took care of her) is infuriating. That nurse was doing everything she could to try to make Candice feel comfortable, first of all--using her name so she didn't feel like a nameless faceless patient, explaining what she was doing--and all Candice can do is complain about the fact that the nurse was in protective gear. Well, Candice, the reason she was in a suit and you're not is because unlike you, she handles those pills ALL DAY, five days a week. (Also, you know, she doesn't have cancer.) Would you rather she expose herself to radiation a dozen times a day so you don't have to look at her protective suit? (Silly question, right--Candice is the only person who matters.)

      These people did everything they could to help her and save her life, and she's complaining because they didn't expose themselves to danger or hover around her bed twenty-four hours a day.

      The worst part is that if she'd told them that she was scared, if she'd asked why the nurse wore the suit, if she'd asked for a hug, she probably would have gotten the extra few minutes/special treatment she required. She definitely would have gotten explanations. (I personally have outright said, "I'm scared," to a doctor [before surgery], and been given several reassuring minutes of conversation and hand-holding as a result.) How are they supposed to know what she needs if she doesn't tell them?

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  12. "Who was this “guy” that supposedly told her she had five years to live? Isn’t this the second time someone standing in for her actual doctor has broken the news of a death sentence to her?" - exactly, in the remote Pilbara hospital it was a friend of a friend who said her chances were slim. Isn't it strange how she gets those death sentences from people other than her doctor? And her doctors seem to take holidays all the time.

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    1. I don't want to spoil Part 3 for you Auma, but Candice speculates that the pharmaceutical companies give doctors free holidays to persuade them to prescribe radiation for cancer patients. So that explains that.

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    2. Oh. Ok. That explains it.

      I was just preparing a long post myself and I thought what I had found buried in her FB pages beats it all, but maybe my expectations of her are too low.

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  13. Interestingly, at that same australianclinicaltrials website you can also see there are 70 trials for 'alternative and completementary' medicine in progress too.

    There is stuff like -
    "Randomised controlled trial of yoga for reducing depression and anxiety, and improving well-being and mental health"
    "Acupuncture to reduce symptoms of lymphoedema in women recovering from breast cancer."
    I think thats great! If any of that is shown to actually have a real clinical effect they will cease to be alternative and/or complementary - they will simply become a part of the armamentarium that is medicine.

    Also, And this is why we shouldnt jump to too much excitement when even seeminly sound research shows promise...
    http://www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8264355/research-study-hype

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    1. It seems my bigger preceding post has been sent to the spam folder...
      take 2....

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    2. This question of who broke the bad (seemingly incorrect) news of her prognosis is a crux issue for understanding the back story but the crux of the bigger picture is an inability trust in professionals that are far more likely to give more accurate advice based on empirical evidence and a peer-review process.

      I am biased to the modern medicine method (it is my profession), but I recognise it is far from perfect (individual doctors and at a system level). Pharmaceutical companies are It is true that not every clinical question can be answered realistically by randomised control trials, but the art & science of medicine is taking the available evidence, assessing its validity and then trying to apply it to the patient in front of you.

      Any flaws that can be highlighted in that conventional approach does not add credence to the extraordinary claims of Gerson/CMF/Wark. But when you see posts like that from Chere Di Boscio that touts (without actually referencing) a case review of only 6 patients it is clear that there is frank scientific illiteracy that is impossible to overcome on a FB wall. There is also internal inconsistency of on one hand stating the injustice of the FDA/BigPharma prevents proper research, and then immediately stating what research she finds convincing to support her beliefs!

      I don't know the details of that review. It may actually be a reasonably written piece of research, but at best it would be an indicator that further research may be warranted - definitely not something that should be recommended en masse to a range of patients. A doctor can have serious restrictions placed on their practice and potential deregistration if they acted in such a way - and fair enough, it would be ethically and legally wrong.

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    3. Mini-rant over for now. I have to go do some work now.
      Thanks once again for the collective voice that is being heard here.


      PS.
      At the following link you can search and see there are 166 registered 'diet and nutrition' trials in progress in Australia.
      https://www.australianclinicaltrials.gov.au/anzctr_feed/form
      Most (but not all) are nothing to do with pharmaceuticals. I can't speak for the US, but our version of the FDA seems to be doing a rubbish job at blocking research into non-drug alternatives.

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    4. Interestingly, at that same australianclinicaltrials website you can also see there are 70 trials for 'alternative and completementary' medicine in progress too.

      There is stuff like -
      "Randomised controlled trial of yoga for reducing depression and anxiety, and improving well-being and mental health"
      "Acupuncture to reduce symptoms of lymphoedema in women recovering from breast cancer."
      I think thats great! If any of that is shown to actually have a real clinical effect they will cease to be alternative and/or complementary - they will simply become a part of the armamentarium that is medicine.

      Also, And this is why we shouldnt jump to too much excitement when even seeminly sound research shows promise...
      http://www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8264355/research-study-hype

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    5. Thanks Jared, your input is really valuable. I think I sent you a friend request on Facebook to respond to something you said there, or something you said here about something you read there. My brain is melting.

      This argument that "big pharma" is trying to quash effective alternative therapy is utterly nonsensical. Even if we make the unreasonable assumption that big pharma controls the practice of modern medicine, and that science itself is therefore primarily profit-driven, if it was proven that pineapple enzymes cure cancer pharmaceutical companies would be patenting and packaging that stuff so fast. It would be ridiculously lucrative.

      And as I've said before, if they're making so much money out of chemotherapy drugs that they know are deadly, why would it be in their interests to kill off their primary consumers? Wouldn't it be more profitable to keep them alive and subscribe them to a lifelong "maintenance program" of enzymes and vitamins?

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    6. *"... if it was proven that pineapple enzymes cure cancer, pharmaceutical companies..."

      I left out a vital comma.

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    7. Hi Ella, I think I have sent you a message via FB. Let me know if not :)

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    8. Message received, Jared. :)

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  14. I read through pars i and ii, and I understand that this could be funny, but I just can't laugh from the anger that I feel rising up as I read it. It is not the ignorance, it is the knowing brushing over of some conveniently chosen details that gets to me.

    And yeah, that last part about the five years to live really doesn't add up - the way it was delivered to her, the reasons given, the person telling her - it all seems like this is where she is moving further away from the truth (rather than just showing a different viewpoint).

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    1. I oscillate between sarcasm and despair too, Esther.

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  15. Esther, I think she is actually lying, not just delusional. She may have been confused about her treatment, but there are 2 situations where she supposedly were given a really horrible prognosis and none of them come from her actual doctors. That cannot be accidental. I have been sleuthing a bit and there's a post coming about that.

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    1. *where she supposedly was given

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    2. The dramatic prognosis scene is a staple of every cancer hoaxer I've ever run into online.

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    3. I was fairly new to the idea of cancer hoaxers, I'll admit, before Belle I had only heard about Warrior Eli Hoax group and thought those must be very rare cases. It is hard to imagine that someone would want to pretend to be terminal or even sick at all, when you as a patient only wish it had never happened in the first place.

      I do think she had thyroid cancer, just not even close to terminal.

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    4. I'm on two cancer forums, and have run into four hoaxers (that I know of) and one of those had two different personas (and she's studying to become a doctor if you can believe it!).

      I don't think they are all that uncommon. But the ones I knew never tried to make a lot of money off of their lies. That does seem like a new twist.

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    5. She may have had thyroid cancer - I'm not entirely convinced but from what she has said, if she did have it it's likely to have been effectively treated by surgery and radioactive iodine. But I call BS on the whether chemo was ever proposed. So her whole anti chemo message is weird. But definitely trying to cash in on a 'cancer journey'. Wouldn't mind betting she's embellished the whole thing to her family - easy to do if they are in the UK. Her mother and sister seem to be wonderfully protective of Candice, albeit in a foul mouthed and misguided way.

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    6. Yes, I think there is a distinct chance that the relatives don't have the full story. One of the hoaxers I got to know (also profiled on the Warrior Eli site under Chelsea Goldberg) had convinced her whole family that she had cancer, including her two young children. She shaved her head and bought medical supplies to use in her pictures of herself.

      Kind of astounding really.

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  24. I am so happy today because me and my boyfriend has be free from the HIV/AIDS disease, me and my boyfriend have been having HIV/AIDS since the past 5 years now,and will have pass through many and different processes in getting cured from the HIV diseases but nothing was working out, a friend of mine on Facebook introduce me to Dr.Ofemo, that he is the only one who can helped me get cured from Hiv and any other diseases,so will contacted him and have faith on him,he told me and my boyfriend that will don’t have to be sad any more or share our tears any more on this Hiv disease when the cure have already be found.he asked me and my boyfriend to do some certain things which will did, he told us that he is going to provide the herbal cure to me and my lover, which he did, then he asked us to go for medical checkup after some days after using the herbal cure,me and my lover has free from the deadly disease, he only asked me to post the testimony through the whole world, faithfully am doing it now, please brothers and sisters, he is great, I owe him in return. if you are having a similar problem just email:drofemospelltemple@gmail.com my life get transformed and everything was fine and Ok with me, till now I have been going to check up and its now going to four months now I am still negative. All thanks Goes to Dr Ofemo and My Friend for what he has done for me and my family.to get Perfect healing for all kind of sicknesses and diseases such as HIV/AIDS, Cancer, Herpes,his email drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or his web/site: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo or cell number +2348163387496 his web/site http://greatofemospelltemple.webs.com/..

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  25. I am so happy today because me and my boyfriend has be free from the HIV/AIDS disease, me and my boyfriend have been having HIV/AIDS since the past 5 years now,and will have pass through many and different processes in getting cured from the HIV diseases but nothing was working out, a friend of mine on Facebook introduce me to Dr.Ofemo, that he is the only one who can helped me get cured from Hiv and any other diseases,so will contacted him and have faith on him,he told me and my boyfriend that will don’t have to be sad any more or share our tears any more on this Hiv disease when the cure have already be found.he asked me and my boyfriend to do some certain things which will did, he told us that he is going to provide the herbal cure to me and my lover, which he did, then he asked us to go for medical checkup after some days after using the herbal cure,me and my lover has free from the deadly disease, he only asked me to post the testimony through the whole world, faithfully am doing it now, please brothers and sisters, he is great, I owe him in return. if you are having a similar problem just email:drofemospelltemple@gmail.com my life get transformed and everything was fine and Ok with me, till now I have been going to check up and its now going to four months now I am still negative. All thanks Goes to Dr Ofemo and My Friend for what he has done for me and my family.to get Perfect healing for all kind of sicknesses and diseases such as HIV/AIDS, Cancer, Herpes,his email drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or his web/site: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo or cell number +2348163387496 his web/site http://greatofemospelltemple.webs.com/..

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  26. I have been suffering from HIV/AIDS disease for the last five years and had constant pain, especially in my body. During the first year,I had faith in God that i would be healed someday.This disease started circulate all over my body and i have been taking treatment from my doctor, few weeks ago i came on search on the internet if i could get any information concerning the prevention of this disease, on my search i saw a testimony of someone who has been healed from (Herpes virus and Cancer) by this Man Dr. SUKU and she also gave the email address of this man and advise we should contact him for any sickness that he would be of help, so i wrote to Dr SUKU telling him about my HIV/AIDS he told me not to worry that i was going to be cured!! hmm i never believed it,, well after all the procedures and remedy given to me by this man few weeks later i started experiencing changes all over me as the Dr SUKU assured me that i have cured,after some time i went to my doctor to confirmed if i have be finally healed behold it was true, So friends my advise is if you have such sickness disease, HERPES CURE OR CANCER OR HPV CURE,HIV&AIDS, or any other at all you can email Dr SUKU on:greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com you call him telephone:+234874839242 get your healing now and be free from cancer Here is him email:greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com.

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  27. I have been suffering from HIV/AIDS disease for the last five years and had constant pain, especially in my body. During the first year,I had faith in God that i would be healed someday.This disease started circulate all over my body and i have been taking treatment from my doctor, few weeks ago i came on search on the internet if i could get any information concerning the prevention of this disease, on my search i saw a testimony of someone who has been healed from (Herpes virus and Cancer) by this Man Dr. SUKU and she also gave the email address of this man and advise we should contact him for any sickness that he would be of help, so i wrote to Dr SUKU telling him about my HIV/AIDS he told me not to worry that i was going to be cured!! hmm i never believed it,, well after all the procedures and remedy given to me by this man few weeks later i started experiencing changes all over me as the Dr SUKU assured me that i have cured,after some time i went to my doctor to confirmed if i have be finally healed behold it was true, So friends my advise is if you have such sickness disease, HERPES CURE OR CANCER OR HPV CURE,HIV&AIDS, or any other at all you can email Dr SUKU on:greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com you call him telephone:+234874839242 get your healing now and be free from cancer Here is him email:greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com..

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  28. i want to use this medium to let everyone know that HIV/AIDS has cure and that Dr.Ofemo is the solution.am Sarah Wilson from United State i was tested HIV/AIDS positive once year 2013, then early this month August 21 i saw so many testimony on blog on how Dr.Ofemo known as herbalist spiritual' cured people with his herbal medicine, i did not believe but i just decided to give him a try, I contacted him and he prepare the herbs cure for me which i took, after taking it in 2 week, he told me to go for check up, could you believe that i was confirm HIV/AIDS Negative after the test, and i went to a different hospital and it was also Negative, i am so happy. If you have any problem or you are also infected with any disease like Herpes, HIV, Cancer, Syphilis, Hepatitis B, all types of Cancer, Gonorrhea, and solves life's problems that you might have etc. kindly contact him now;drofemospelltemple@gmail.com thank you once again his email via drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or his web/site:
    http://greatofemospelltemple.webs.com/ or cell number +2348163387496 his web/site http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo

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  29. i want to use this medium to let everyone know that HIV/AIDS has cure and that Dr.Ofemo is the solution.am Sarah Wilson from United State i was tested HIV/AIDS positive once year 2013, then early this month August 21 i saw so many testimony on blog on how Dr.Ofemo known as herbalist spiritual' cured people with his herbal medicine, i did not believe but i just decided to give him a try, I contacted him and he prepare the herbs cure for me which i took, after taking it in 2 week, he told me to go for check up, could you believe that i was confirm HIV/AIDS Negative after the test, and i went to a different hospital and it was also Negative, i am so happy. If you have any problem or you are also infected with any disease like Herpes, HIV, Cancer, Syphilis, Hepatitis B, all types of Cancer, Gonorrhea, and solves life's problems that you might have etc. kindly contact him now;drofemospelltemple@gmail.com thank you once again his email via drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or his web/site:
    http://greatofemospelltemple.webs.com/ or cell number +2348163387496 his web/site http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo..

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  30. Am Juliet Dickson from Sweden I want to share a testimony on how this great man Dr Suku help me to heal my herpes virus is the solution to herpes cure,Since last 4 months I have being a Herpes patient.it was confirm I have be in several hospital but no one can cure it one day I was browsing through the Internet I saw a testimony on how Dr Suku from Africa healer and i saw so many testimony on blogger how is cure a lady called Grace and i asked her if she was cure by Dr Suku,what she said was yes that is heal and be free for herpes,she told me that there is a great spell caster that can cure my herpes Virus,I asked her if she had his email, she gave me his email, so I contact him and i told him I have Herpes virus,and I asked for solutions, he started the herbal remedy for my health, he sent me the medicine,and i start taking the medicine as prescribed by him and 2 week later i was cured from HERPES, Dr. Suku truly you are great healer, do you need his help also? Why don't you contact him through greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com or his cell number +2348074839242,I’m the happiest girl in the world thank you Dr Suku he cure any type of disease HIV/AIDS,CANCER, ALS, Hepatitis B, HERPES, PVC/ through his via email;greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com

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  31. Am Juliet Dickson from Sweden I want to share a testimony on how this great man Dr Suku help me to heal my herpes virus is the solution to herpes cure,Since last 4 months I have being a Herpes patient.it was confirm I have be in several hospital but no one can cure it one day I was browsing through the Internet I saw a testimony on how Dr Suku from Africa healer and i saw so many testimony on blogger how is cure a lady called Grace and i asked her if she was cure by Dr Suku,what she said was yes that is heal and be free for herpes,she told me that there is a great spell caster that can cure my herpes Virus,I asked her if she had his email, she gave me his email, so I contact him and i told him I have Herpes virus,and I asked for solutions, he started the herbal remedy for my health, he sent me the medicine,and i start taking the medicine as prescribed by him and 2 week later i was cured from HERPES, Dr. Suku truly you are great healer, do you need his help also? Why don't you contact him through greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com or his cell number +2348074839242,I’m the happiest girl in the world thank you Dr Suku he cure any type of disease HIV/AIDS,CANCER, ALS, Hepatitis B, HERPES, PVC/ through his via email;greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com..

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  32. I am here to give my testimony about Dr SUKU who helped me in my life, i want to inform the public how i was cured from (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) by Dr SUKU,i visited different hospital but they gave me list of drugs like Famvir, Zovirax, and Valtrex which is very expensive to treat the symptoms and never cured me. I was browsing through the Internet searching for remedy on HERPES and i saw comment of people talking about how Dr SUKU cured them. when i contacted him he gave me hope and send a Herbal medicine to me that i took and it seriously worked for me, am a free person now without problem, my HERPES result came out negative. I pray for you Dr.SUKU am cured you can also get your self cured my friends if you really need my doctor help, you can reach him now:greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com or call his Mobil number or you call him telephone:+234874839242 THANK YOU FOR YOU HELP TO CURE MY (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS)AM SO GRATEFUL,I WILL ADVICE YOU FRIENDS HIS WILL HELP YOU TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM EMAIL:greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com his website: http://greatsukusolutiont.wix.com/dr-suku

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  33. I am here to give my testimony about Dr SUKU who helped me in my life, i want to inform the public how i was cured from (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS) by Dr SUKU,i visited different hospital but they gave me list of drugs like Famvir, Zovirax, and Valtrex which is very expensive to treat the symptoms and never cured me. I was browsing through the Internet searching for remedy on HERPES and i saw comment of people talking about how Dr SUKU cured them. when i contacted him he gave me hope and send a Herbal medicine to me that i took and it seriously worked for me, am a free person now without problem, my HERPES result came out negative. I pray for you Dr.SUKU am cured you can also get your self cured my friends if you really need my doctor help, you can reach him now:greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com or call his Mobil number or you call him telephone:+234874839242 THANK YOU FOR YOU HELP TO CURE MY (HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS)AM SO GRATEFUL,I WILL ADVICE YOU FRIENDS HIS WILL HELP YOU TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM EMAIL:greatsukusolutiontemple@hotmail.com his website: http://greatsukusolutiont.wix.com/dr-suku..

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  34. Hello everyone out there, My name is Carol Anderson. I am here to give my testimony about a doctor who helped me in my life. I was infected with HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS in 2010, i went to many hospitals for cure but there was no solution, so I was thinking how can I get a solution out so that my body can be okay. One day I was in the river side thinking where I can go to get solution. so a lady walked to me telling me why am I so sad and i open up all to her telling her my problem, she told me that she can help me out, she introduce me to a doctor who uses herbal medication to cure HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS and gave me his email, so i mail him. He told me all the things I need to do and also give me instructions to take, which I followed properly. Before I knew what is happening after four weeks the HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS that was in my body got cured . so if you are also heart broken and also need a help, you can also email him at ogboduherbalhivcure@gmail.com OR ogboduspellhome@gmail.com OR ogboduherbalhome@hotmail.com

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