Friday, April 10, 2015

Candice on Cancer, Part III

[Written by reader Ella as a guest post].

Well, Candice-Marie Fox has apparently flipped out. The thin veneer of grace has collapsed, and she’s resorted to accusing detractors on her Facebook page of being “trained government agents.” I’m simply not going to engage on that. Not because it would be beneath me, but because if I blow my cover, my handler will put a burn notice on me faster than I can say ‘Natalia Romanova.’

For those catching up, I’m transcribing much of Candice’s comments on an obscure little homespun YouTube series called “The Statera Podcast.” Yesterday, we left off at the point where Candice claims that “the guy” standing in for her actual doctor broke the news to her that “the cancer [had] spread” and she only had “five years left to live.” Today, we get the scoop on Mark Simon, another guy standing in for an actual doctor.

But first, I urge you, comrades - whether you work for MI6, the CIA or Vladimir Putin – be careful out there. The sinister pineapple industry is a global threat, bent on nothing short of world domination. Don’t go out alone, always wear a trenchcoat, and please, whatever you do, carry antacids at all times.

Candice on Cancer, Part 3: “Natural chemo…doesn’t do anything to your body.”

CANDICE: “After…when he said that, ‘you’ve got five years, basically,’ I just instantly was just like ‘no.’ Like ‘something’s gotta change,’ like instantly, I was just like, ‘I can’t do this.’ So then that’s when I was just like, ‘F*** you!’ I was just like, ‘I’m gonna do it myself.’ Like, that’s when I just knew.
So I went back to my partner and their family, and I explained that I wanted to do it, and they were…because they’d seen that the surgery and everything had spread it, you know. They’d seen that what we thought was gonna help me, didn’t help me…Like my partner’s mum, she was amazing, she took me all over, to appointments, and…just really helped me kinda like get to where I needed to be and do it the natural way, basically.”

SNARY: “So helping you research, and look into different methods.”

CANDICE: “Yeah! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It just worked out really well after that. We started getting organic veggies shipped in, just everything organic, all clean. I stopped eating meat. I mean, the family at the time, they weren’t too keen on the whole ‘not eating meat.’ My mother-in-law, I remember her saying to me, ‘You’re losing too much weight, and you’re looking really skinny.’ And I just thought it was an attack, so I was like ‘F*** you! I’m not looking skinny, I’m looking amazing,’ you know? Instantly. 
But now I look back at pictures, and I’m like, ‘S***, she was so right.’ But you instantly just think, I just felt attacked all the time.”

SNARY: “But that’s probably just your mental faculties at the time, as well - very emotional time for you, as well.”

CANDICE: “Oh, very. And then I look back at the pictures, and I’m like, ‘oh.’ I looked ill. Like, I looked iller [sic] after the cancer was going [sic], because I went to the extreme. So I was just like, ‘right, I’ve got to get rid of this myself.’ Like, ‘I’m in control, I have to.’ So I was just so strict. Like, I went on Google, found out…tomatoes, pineapple, like all this stuff…[trails off].
I went on a website, ‘doctorsaredangerous.com,’ and that took me through to Mark Simon. And Mark Simon was just, like, a scientist in America. He lost his wife to breast cancer eight years previous [sic], and so after that he saw the treatment of her – like, she went through the chemo and stuff – and he saw her be killed by chemo, basically. So he turned all of his efforts, and his scientific knowledge, onto finding a cure. And so as soon as I heard about him, I was like, ‘right, he’s the guy.’ And he was curing people through nutrition. 
So I messaged him and he explained that it was like six grand [$6000] for his, like,
services…for a lifetime. So I was just like ‘well, I don’t have that.’ So at the time I was working up at the mines, and my partner at the time actually was amazing through this part; he went and went in all the crib rooms and…got some donations for me to jump out of a plane. So…I think it was New Zealand, Queenstown, and we were gonna jump out of a plane, and ended up raising like six grand and paid him the money.”

SNARY: “Nice!” 

CANDICE: “Yeah. And [Mark Simon] was just like ‘oh.’ Because he was just gonna treat me for free! And the reason why he charges six grand is…so he can give it for free to people that can’t afford it.”

SNARY: “Like a scholarship sort of system, almost.”

I’ll just skip over the obvious fact that this “almost scholarship” doesn’t involve any actual scholarship, to point out the following: Candice claims that Simon’s fee was $6000, and Candice paid $6000. I don’t know how you twist that into a “scholarship system.” That would be like me paying my own way through university, only to have them tell me when I paid my fees in full that my education was actually free, and the money will go to other students poorer than I. As it happens, Candice gleefully suggests that Simon didn’t allocate the funds to other patients anyway, but funnelled it into his business:

CANDICE: “I said, ‘I don’t have the six grand now,’ but because I was working [up?] away, I said, ‘I can get it, just give me…a while, like, I’ll give it to you.’ 
And he was just like, ‘no, I’ll send it [the supplements?] now.’ 
So then I was like, ‘Do you know what? Let’s just raise the money, get more awareness,’ and just give, like, whatever we could. And it worked out so well, because we gave him the money, and he got a new website and all, all…sent me the stuff, and basically it was a high dose of vitamin K3 and sodium selenite.
So what I would do, is I would go on…because I was already like, I had quit everything myself. And then as soon as I went on his protocol, I just noticed such a difference. So it was like seven days of fruit only. Like pineapple, massive bromelain eats away at the protective protein layer of the cancer. And then Vitamin K3, like high greens [?], zaps the cancer and kinda kills it. So there’s a whole science behind it.”

Uh huh, okay. So what Candice appears to be saying here is that she cut the necessary things out of her diet herself (meat, dairy, negative thoughts, etc.), and then all Mark Simon had to do was supply the supplements, and the “protocol.” You don’t get a whole lot of bang for your buck, so it’s just as well it was absolutely free (except for the $6000 Candice offered as a charitable donation).

Just to be absolutely clear, the American Cancer Society states that “there are no available scientific studies that have looked at whether bromelain shrinks tumors.” Scott Gavura looks at bromelain in more detail at www.sciencebasedmedicine.org and concludes that “the data are not impressive.” He also points out that a discovery of this magnitude would be “Nobel-worthy.” If bromelain shrinks tumours, pharmaceutical companies would make a fortune on it. Throw in a helpful “protocol,” and they could probably make, like, I don’t know, six grand per patient maybe?

Meanwhile, Candice attempts to explain the regime, but it’s confusing:

CANDICE: “And then…seven days after, so it’s like a a seven day/seven day cycle, so seven days of fruit only, and then I think days eight, nine, ten, I take in the morning sodium selenite and the vitamin K, two or three, and then the rest of the time I just eat what I want, but like vegan still, more nuts, avo[cado], just healthy.” 

SNARY: “Sure. Make sure it’s healthy, yeah.”

CANDICE: “Everything, like, vegan; started meditating; yoga I was doing a lot. And I just done [sic]…it went in cycles…I think it got to like three or four cycles of doing this. And my partner and his family at the time, they’d laugh at me at that time, because I’d lock myself in the bathroom and meditate…so literally I’m sit [sic] on the toilet, and I would like, you know [swaying back and forth], get at one with the world. Obviously pants-up, you know, just purely with myself and the heavens. And I just mediated. And I could hear them all outside taking the p***, but I was like, ‘It’s all right, I know what I’m doing.’ And it worked! Like, it all calmed me…the meditation calmed me, and after three or four cycles…”

SNARY: “How long did that take, the three or four cycles?”

Adrian has obviously picked up on the fact that Candice isn’t being very clear about what a “cycle” is. All we really know is that she takes supplements, and mediates pants-up.

CANDICE: “So it’s three…so, basically it was…I just kept going ‘round one after the other. So I was like seven days of fruit, then the three days…of, like, the vitamins, the high dose…they’re like natural chemo, is basically what it is, and they’re…without killing all the cells, like this is just pure natural, it doesn’t do anything to your body, and then the rest you’re eating food, and then I done it again [sic]. So I done [sic] seven days of…so I done it [sic] one after the other.”

That doesn’t clear up anything, but at least we can agree on one thing: “natural chemo…doesn’t do anything to your body.”

CANDICE: “And then once you’ve got rid of the cancer, you keep it as a maintenance. So now I do it…once every six months. But after three cycles, so that was like, say, six months after I got the scan, and they were like, ‘oh, it’s level 13, you know, you’re gonna die in five years, ra ra ra,’ …literally six months, I went in and got all my tests done with them.”

I’ll just jump in here and say I don’t personally know what she means by “level 13,” so hopefully one of our savvy commenters can explain that.

CANDICE: “Because they…when I got diagnosed, when they gave me the five year sentence, I said, ‘Oh, is there anything I can do?’ And they were like, ‘look, come back in maybe…we can’t do anything now because you’ve had so much done to you, but come back in maybe six, maybe nine, nine more…maybe a year, come back in  year, and we’ll give you some chemo.
And instantly alarm bells rung [sic]…because my best friend Jamie, he was 31, he died because of chemo. Like he found a lump in his testicles, they cut it out, it spread to his stomach, he went and had chemo. It weakened his immune system, and they put him into an induced coma, he had a heart attack, like…all because of the chemo, basically. It weakened him.
And then my little cousin Frankie, she was thirteen, she found like a little pea-sized tumour on her head, went through…really aggressive chemo over Christmas and all sorts of horrors, and yeah she passed away. I think it was the second lot of chemo...So as soon as they said it to me, I was already like ‘no.’ Like, ‘that’s how I know you’re gonna kill me.’ So that’s when I was just like ‘I definitely have to do this myself, now. Like there’s no…if I don’t do this in 6 to 9 months, then they’re gonna kill me.’”

These deaths must have been devastating, but Candice seems to be under the impression that her friends died as a result of their treatment, rather than that they died of cancer in spite of treatment. She also seems to be under the false impression that her own cancer had spread throughout her body.

CANDICE: “And then I was like, ‘if I don’t do it, then fine, like, maybe chemo. Do you know what I mean?”

SNARY: “Yeah…you have to do it yourself, just try it yourself, at least.”

By this time, Candice’s nonsense has crossed the line from self-delusion to advice. She and Snary are disseminating information encouraging people with cancer to postpone medical treatment recommended by their physicians for up to a year. A year is long enough for a treatable cancer to become untreatable. A year is long enough for a cancer patient to die.

CANDICE: “I have to…in this 6 to 9 months, if I make it worse, if it's more than [level] 13, then okay. Chemo, go, whatever. You know? But if I can get it down less, and I just had this…I was so passionate, and I just knew that…I just wanted to prove them wrong, because they…I just wanted…to mainly prove that chemo was to blame for all these horror stories. And I knew it was, but…I just wanted to make sure in my mind that…I weren’t [sic] going to go down that route.”

Of course, even if Candice had miraculously cured her own cancer with pineapple, it wouldn’t prove that her friend and her cousin died because of chemotherapy.

Suddenly, an unexpected twist:

SNARY: “But it can help as well, chemo.”

CANDICE: “Yeah, but…it kills the good and the bad cells. Like, it does help…”

SNARY: “It just wipes away everything.”

CANDICE: “So basically, if it does help, and you're like ‘oh yeah, I've had chemo, it's gone, blah blah blah,’ it's not forever. I've done so much research now. It's like, all them [sic] pharmaceutical drugs, they've got a lifespan. Like ten years and stuff. Because the cells are so tiny. So like when they cut me open, and they took the cancer out, like the tiny cells, kinda like the cancer cells, go all over to the body and they hide in places. So if they're not got [sic], they're gonna come out later with secondary cancers and *then* you're gonna be killed, basically...same with chemo...it's not good for the body, it weakens the immune system. And when it gets rid of it, if it does, it's definitely – well, lots of cases come back because of it. Unless you’re gonna keep up the healthy lifestyle.”

Now, I’ve read bowls of alphabet soup more coherent than this. But if I’m understanding this correctly, Candice is suggesting three things:

1. That surgery to remove cancer actually spreads cancer throughout the body, and that those cells scatter and conceal themselves in some kind of diabolical game of hide and seek.

2. That the “same” thing happens with chemo – that chemo spreads cancer cells throughout the body, and forces them underground, so to speak, only to have them pop up ten years later.

3. That chemo doesn’t actually destroy cancer, it just keeps it at bay for up to a decade, like a UN peacekeeping force.

This is pure, undiluted stupidity. And she’s not even done yet:

CANDICE: “When I said to the doctors about, you know, they said, ‘you’re gonna die in five years,’ and I was like, ‘well what should I do then, in the 6 to 9 months, should I change my diet? What should I do?’ And they were like, ‘Diet’s got nothing to do with it.’”

SNARY [outraged]: “WHAT?!?”

CANDICE: “The thing that made me laugh is that the test that they do to test for cancer is a glucose-based syrup.”

SNARY: “Really?”

CANDICE: “Yeah. So it's like, it's a sugar. They feed it, to test where the cancer is, and that's what, like alarm bells went in my head again. So many things that happened along the way, errors, where my intelligence just kicked in. I was like, ‘hang on, if diet really has nothing to do with it, why are you giving me sugar to see where the cancer is?’”

SNARY: “Yeah, definitely!”

I’m beginning to think what Candice actually has is dysfunctional alarm bells. They seem to go off at odd times, for no good reason. I once had a similar problem with a smoke alarm.

CANDICE: “It's just, you know, all these things happened. And then yeah, so I proved them wrong. In six months I went and had the test done, and it went from level 13, to naught-point-seven [0.7]. So no large tumours, just small-scale cellular cancer left in me. And when I said to my nuclear oncologist, she was so shocked. And I was just like, ‘so, can I have it come from your mouth, that this is not the radiation that's done this, this is not anything you've done, this is what I've done, since leaving you?’
And she was just like, ‘look, I kinda hate to admit it, but it can't be...because...when we tested you, it was just level 13, now it's 0.7.’ She goes, ‘It's nothing to do with us. But we still want to mop up that 0.7 with some more radiation.’”

So it’s more radiation now? Not chemo?

CANDICE: “So I was just like, ‘Are you f*****g sh*****g me?’ And that’s when I sat there and I said, ‘I want to be real with you now. I’ve had the worst and the best…last few months, and I know you're not a bad person…I know that you think giving me radiation is good for me. You really do, you think you're doing good.’”

SNARY: “That's what she's been indoctrinated into.”

CANDICE: “Yeah. And I said, ‘But you're not. You're not gonna give me broccoli. I love my broccoli. But you're not gonna give me broccoli, and say that cures cancer. You're just not gonna do that. Because you deal in radiation, but I'm here to tell you that radiation doesn't really work. Like, you didn't tell me that it ups my chance of leukemia by 70%, did you?’
And she was like…‘Why worry about one cancer when you're dealing with one now?’ That's what she said to me!
And I was like, ‘Because I don't want another cancer down there! Why can't I deal with all these cancers and wipe them out? [...] That didn’t make sense to me either, and I was just like, ‘Look, I'm not gonna take it […] I'm not going down your route anymore, and I don't want to come for any thyroid clinics, I don't want to do anything that you...’
And she instantly was just like, ‘you know that you could be killing yourself.’ Same, same thing!”

SNARY: “Even after the results are in, and she'd seen the results for herself?”

CANDICE: “Because it's 0.7! There's 0.7. And she goes, ‘This 0.7 could be hiding somewhere, and it could blow up.’”

SNARY: “Well, it could though, as well.”

You know, every so often - if you’re vewy, vewy quiet – you can catch Snary saying something reasonable. If only the same was true of Candice!

CANDICE: “Yeah, it could. But it's gonna blow up more if she gives me more radiation. Like, I'm gonna get more cancers if she radiates me again than if I'm gonna go and juice for six more months. Like, I don't get it! I don't even understand why they think it's okay. How do they justify it to themselves? Like do they get loads of free holidays, or, like, how does it work?”

Just a few minutes earlier, Snary and Candice agreed that chemo “can help,” and “the pharmaceutical industry…[does] have a benefit,” but now she’s saying conventional cancer treatment makes cancer worse, and that oncologists recommend radiation because the pharmaceutical companies ply them with free holidays. Snary jumps in to explain why Candice is so much smarter than actual phsyicians:

SNARY: “I think again, like we just spoke about, it's that whole indoctrination. They're brought up like...”

CANDICE: “Yeah. They're not getting nutritional teachings.”

SNARY: “Yeah, or even if they do, it’s probably not enough.”

CANDICE: “Like, six hours or something.”

SNARY: “Yeah, something like that. But, you know…it's hard to even blame the doctors, I feel. Like if they've grown up thinking a certain way since they were kids and then they're teenagers and then they're going to university, they get indoctrinated into, like...”

CANDICE: “That’s true. It just annoys me […]. You just want to shake everyone. This is why I understood, like I appreciate, because she really was genuinely worried for me, you know? She was like, ‘Oh, well done, I’m so happy you’ve done this,’ you know. She didn’t like to admit it, which is what she said, but she was happy for me. She was like, ‘I’m really, you know, I’m pleased that it’s gone, but you’ve still got the 0.7! Let’s radiate this! Let’s mop it up!’ [hitting the table]. You know? I was just like, ‘Are you for f****** real?’”
I walked out of there, and I went home that day, and I was bawling my eyes out, because I [was] again doubting myself, even though I'd done all this myself, again I was like, ‘oh my god, am I gonna kill myself? [...] And I was just like, ‘I just am so confused.’ I’m like, ‘this 0.7, you know? I know I've got rid of that lot, but this 0.7, what if I can never get rid of that?’ …Then I was just like, ‘F***. I'm feeding the cancer right now.’ [ie. with the negativity].
  And then I spoke to Mark Simon from NORI, which is like ‘Nutritional Oncology Research Institute’ in L.A., the guy who blew my mind with the science of, like, pineapple […]. He is amazing…I spoke to my mother-in-law, and we just…yeah, both kinda decided, ‘look, just keep doing what I’m doing,’ I mean, I was just like, ‘I have to. I can’t do any more radiation.’ And then yeah, that was it.”

SNARY: “And then you went back again?”

CANDICE: “Yeah, from then I just would go to a doctor’s…basically they gave me Thyroxine, and I went to a Don Tolman - you know Don Tolman?”

Yeah, I know Don Tolman. He’s a quack in a John Wayne costume who advocates something called “Self Care,” which ironically you can’t really do yourself. It’s based on an “ancient,” “sacred meal” called “Pulse” (singular, capital ‘p’). “Pulse” has apparently been “passed through the ancient mystery schools of learning,” and influenced by “Leonardo Da Vinci,” “Pythagoras,” and “Daniel from the Old Testament,” although not necessarily in that order.

If you’re thinking you’d have to consult ancient sources for this ancient health secret, and prepare the ancient, sacred meal yourself, I’ve got great news for you. You can actually purchase this mystical muesli directly from Don’s website, for only $28.00 per single-serve bag!

I can’t really do Don’s claims justice here, but I do want to point out that he claims that modern medicine has “sadly become an industry that thrives on the perpetuation of sickness and disease through false diagnostics, unnecessary treatments and surgeries - and huge corporate interests and agendas are driving that entire business globally.” Sound familiar?

CANDICE: I went to one of [Tolman’s] things, and he basically said about Thyroxine being really bad, and I already knew it. Because I was getting really bad skin, like I had really bad acne, like everything was going wrong. And I found out that this one doctor in...Fremantle would give me natural thyroid tablets. So I went there, and ever since I've been seeing her, because she is a doctor in in the MD sense, but she's also...the only one who'll give me these natural ones, and she's all, she’s a balance. She's like, ‘Candice, don't be stupid.’ You know, she's just like ‘do this, do that.’ Because I told her I wanted to be a bodybuilder...and then I said that my trainer was gonna put me on meat five times a day, and then she was like ‘Candice, darling,’ she goes, ‘you had cancer. Don't you think you need greens, not meat?’”

Candice then discusses her plans to become a bodybuilder, and her discover of a raw vegetarian bodybuilder called  Michelle Nazaroff. I’ll spare you the details.

CANDICE: “Now I'm just attracting people…like you, do you know what I mean?”

Yeah, he knows what she means. Although this ‘law of attraction’ hypothesis doesn’t explain how she attracted detractors, like Violet.

CANDICE: “I'm attracting amazing people, like, that just...everybody resonates with me now, and I'm my own health doctor. I'm my own warrior...I listen to myself more, I'm mediating more...I'm more in control now, and I don't listen to that fear. See, the second time they wanted to give me radiation, I was scared again, and I look back at that and I'm like, ‘why did I get that scared again, when I'd...got rid of so much of the cancer myself?’...But it is because you're with these authoritarian people, you know, who are educated, they  know their s***, apparently. Like, they are good at broken bones and stuff like that, you know? They are good at things like that. But when it comes to cancer and...diseases like that...to be honest, I just think it's a money-making industry, like, cancer is a multi-trillion dollar industry. So, to me, it's like they don't want a cure. Like opening somebody up, cutting 'em, giving oxygen to the cancer and spreading it, it's not the way.”

SNARY: “It's really archaic. It seems archaic.”

CANDICE: “It's barbaric...it's not right. And I really wanna do as much as I can with the time that I have left to change it.”

I'm not sure how Mark Simon's alleged six thousand dollar fee fits into this worldview, or Don Tolman’s sacred muesli empire, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of actual physicians who volunteer their services to patients in developing countries, or the countless millions who have been cured of cancer with conventional medicine. But what’s interesting here is that Candice is about to fill us in on her future plans – grand, weird, lucrative plans. She explains her newfound psychic ability, the health retreat she’s coordinating on the party island of Ibiza, and a TV series she plans to make about that retreat.

Whatever Candice says in defence of her marketing in recent days (eg. she can’t prevent errors in print media articles, she never said pineapples cured her cancer, she never said she had liver cancer, etc.), her views about the supposed dangers of conventional medicine and the efficacy of alternative medicine in treating cancer are all recorded here, and she plainly delineates her intentions to parlay those views into a lucrative brand.

I know I told you I could break this interview into three parts, but I was mistaken. I hadn’t finished reviewing the material at that time, and I made an estimate that, in hindsight, was ill-informed. This podcast review is going to take up five blog posts. Before I knew it, my estimate was in print, and impossible to retract. I sincerely apologise to anyone who may have been misled by that statement. I had the best of intentions.

(See, Candice? That wasn’t so hard).

78 comments:

  1. ----‘oh, it’s level 13, you know, you’re gonna die in five years, ra ra ra----

    This probably refers to having thyroglobulin marker value 13 ng/ml right after radiation.

    ----Because they…when I got diagnosed, when they gave me the five year sentence, I said, ‘Oh, is there anything I can do?’ And they were like, ‘look, come back in maybe…we can’t do anything now because you’ve had so much done to you, but come back in maybe six, maybe nine, nine more…maybe a year, come back in year, and we’ll give you some chemo.----

    Again, offering chemo doesn’t make sense at that point at all, before it is known how RAI treatment has worked (and that takes time - that is why there can be evaluation visits in 6, 9 or 12 months. Chemo would only be offered when it is clear that she doesn’t respond to RAI and she does, because her TGB went down from 13 to 0.7.


    ----And she was just like, ‘look, I kinda hate to admit it, but it can't be...because...when we tested you, it was just level 13, now it's 0.7.’ She goes, ‘It's nothing to do with us. But we still want to mop up that 0.7 with some more radiation.’” -----
    Oh really, an oncologist said that? I really would like to know if her oncologist is aware of her claims and how she feels about that. If I were her, I would be doing banging my head against the wall.
    And now it is radiation again? I thought they had suggested chemo?


    Everytime I think this is it, the maximum of stupidity and dishonesty has finally been reached, I am inevitably suprised again.

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    1. Thanks for clarifying some of those points, Auma. Your understanding of all this stuff is really helpful. I'd really like to what her oncologist has to say about all this too, as Candice does put words in her mouth that I suspect she never said.

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  2. And also I would like to say that Ella should write comic books or scripts for comedy shows. I have been alternating between staring at my screen in disbelief (did I just really read what I think I read about curing cancer?) and laughing. Genius!

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  3. I hate to agree with anything Candice says, but in the interests of fairness I should note that yes, surgery can indeed spread the cancer. In my own case, my final surgery was to remove a single tumor that my surgeon called a "drop tumor", meaning that it was a cell or clump of cells that fell down from the area directly above that he had dealt with in my previous surgery.

    The use of cimetidine, which may reduce the chance of this spread when taken just before and after surgery, has gone into clinical trials here in the States, based on oncology studies out of Japan. I personally used it for my last surgery. No way to know if it helped or not. So that's an "alternative" idea (sort of...it's no pineapples) that is on its way to possibly becoming part of standard care.

    In addition, chemo does not truly "destroy" cancer, at least not in the sense of an actual cure (except for a small numbers of cancers, esp those of the blood). What it does do is reduce the amount of cancer load in one's body, giving surgery a greater chance of curing the patient. It can also keep people alive for many years, despite having started out stage 4. I know three people who have made it for over 10 years each with stage 4 colon cancer, thanks to a mix of chemo, surgery, and tradition therapies. Without chemo in the mix, it's unlikely they would still be with us. Not an easy way to live, by any means, but better than the alternative.

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    1. That should be "radiation" not "tradition", although that's not the worst auto-correct I've seen!

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    2. I am sure Candice-Marie is right about some things. It is fine to point that out and completely fair.

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    3. Being "right" about these things doesn't negate the fact that the conclusions she has arrived at (or pretends to believe) about the evil that is conventional medicine are 100% wrong.

      Chemo and surgery aren't perfect, and no doctor will tell you that they are, but they are the best hope we have for survival as cancer patients.

      Reality-based hope, thanks to reality-based medicine. :D

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    4. Hi Ann - thanks so much for clarifying those details. I've speculated about some of the technical aspects of cancer treatment that I don't fully understand, so I'm happy to have others explain them! Teasing fact from fiction is largely what this is all about.

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  4. I have been following this blog since it started and thought I would just leave a comment to say well done to everyone that has contributed and to Violet for all of her hard work. Candice seems a little more determined than Belle to maintain the lies she is spreading even as the gaping holes in her story continue to be pointed out. She has an answer for almost everything and the ability to divert attention away from things that she simply can't answer without admitting her lies.

    I would be curious to know if the metastatic cancers were ever biopsied or if her claims of the cancer spread were based purely on her scans. Has she commented on this at all?

    I will continue to watch with interest. I get a little nervous about commenting on blogs or getting into confrontation on Facebook pages (and I am a hormonal pregnant woman for another few days so I will wait until I am less emotional to jump in to that battle ground) but I have been cheering all of you on from the sidelines and love what you are doing. Keep up the good work!

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    1. People should only do what they feel comfortable doing. I am naturally not a very confrontational person, but I am making an exception this time. I won't tolerate these kinds of people spreading lies to cancer patients anymore. They had their free pass for a time and now it is being revoked. If they cannot handle it, then they can return to being private people.

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    2. I am absolutely with you on that count. These snake oil salesmen need to be called on their dangerous lies and they need to be stopped. I think I will set up a different Facebook account so I feel comfortable in commenting on her page because I see the value in as many voices as possible participating in calling her out. I made the mistake of expressing my disgust at anti-vaxxers on my own Facebook page and copped a fair bit of backlash as a result.

      I admire what all of you are doing and look forward to being able to contribute soon.

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    3. I also want to know about this metastatic cancer of her. I would need to see the scans posted before I believe that there was actually any evidence of spread to the lungs or elsewhere (thank goodness she cleared up that part about the liver, but I would like to see that scan as well, with the alleged benign tumors).

      At this point, she's going to have post proof that she had the original thyroid cancer before I feel totally confident about the veracity of that, as I'm having a hard time believing anything she says.

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    4. Ann, there is a post coming from a survivor of the same cancer, i.e., me (aka Big Pharma troll/government spy) that will look at those claims and diagnostic methods. Granted, I am not a doctor, but I do know something about methods that are used in which diagnostic/therapy phases. Ella's posts have been very helpful, because they give data to establish a timeline which I can compare with my own experience and guidelines for papillary thyroid cancer.

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    5. Auma, your information has been fantastic and I have really appreciated reading it. You have helped me get my head around just how far Candice has stretched "her truth". Looking forward to hearing more about this.

      And Ella has done an amazing job too. I had a good chuckle reading the additional comments from her in the above article. You are seriously just a bunch of awesome people!

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    6. Ann, I am also finding it harder and harder to buy very much of what she says. I am prepared to accept for now that the original cancer was real but the spread to her lungs etc. just rings alarm bells to me and I very much doubt there is any truth to these claims.

      Reading Ella's posts I get the impression that these new cancer spots were detected very shortly after her original treatment, prior to her leaving the 'outhouse' after her radiation. I know some cancers grow rapidly and I don't really know enough to understand with certainty, but this does seem to be way too fast for new cancer spots to take hold.

      The other thing that Candice seems to be saying is that the person that did her scan was the one telling her about the cancer spread and the terminal diagnosis. That really isn't the role of radiology so I find it very difficult to believe that this happened at all.

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    7. Tam, congratulations on the impending baby, and sympathy about the anti-vaxxer hornet's nest you accidentally stirred up!

      Thanks for your comments. I'm completely puzzled about the metastasis myself. In the podcast, she often gestures broadly towards her body and implies that the cancer had spread over a very broad area. That is really turning out not to be the case.

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  5. Fellow readers and lovers of science, champions of truth, slayers of quackery, please consider joining us on Facebook. I can't speak for everyone but I do believe our troops are weary from the illogical, infuriating posts and an influx of fresh criticism would be very helpful on the Healthy Candy page. Some new, semi-illiterate poster has joined the side of LIGHT LOVE AND TRUTH and my head hurts from smacking it against my desk. In the name of sanity, M.

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    1. I have been in bed all day with what appears to no longer be oak allergies, but rather a very bad cold, so Facebook is out for a while. Seriously, it is really negative of all you not to send white light and positive vibes my way. I feel like I am being bullied right now. I just want to get better and all of you are blocking the universe from attracting the right treatment to me. Trolls.

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    2. Clearly your body is out of balance and requires alkaline water to create a hostile environment for those germs. And maybe if you practiced more self love the law of attraction would provide a cure? Just saying, your body is trying to tell you something and unless you treat your underlying negativity, disease will follow you!!! (Was that enough exclamation points to make my point, do you think?)

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    3. Kale juice. White light.
      Like, like, like, like.
      There. You should be all healthy now. Healthy yet?
      If not - please reconsider all the bad thoughts you might have had and releeease them.

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      This is a monthly charge for positive vibes. By not clicking the rainbow colored unicorn tear button on the upper right side of this message, you confirm a recurrent subscription to "The universal guide on loving your inner broccoli" for a special price of only 200$ (new subscribers have to pay 220).

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    4. I noticed the new guy smokes cigars. Hardly seems the right look for the healthy candy page. :/

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    5. Yeah, Violet, your chakras obviously aren't aligned. When was the last time you decalcified your third eye?

      Anonymous, it's interesting how quickly the 'white light and kale' brigade on Candice's Facebook page dropped the positive vibes and resorted to wild allegations and petty insults, isn't it?

      Auma, your broccoli protocol sounds miraculous. It's an absolute steal, even at $220.

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    6. So today I strolled out to my pond where I keep some ducks and I noticed that there was "wild" broccoli growing all over the shore and it hit me that the ducks must be eating broccoli out of my (organic) garden and pooping out the seeds and spreading the broccoli around. I don't understand how I can be surrounded by so much organic broccoli love and still have a cold. It makes NO sense!

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    7. Were you not consuming the duck poop? Obviously your first mistake,

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    8. Administer coffee enemas to the ducks, Violet.

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  6. Excellent posts, Ella!

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    2. Your commentary was priceless.
      Are you secretly hoping that The Chaser will produce an expose? Because I know I am. I don't know what would be more amusing: Chas visiting the nutritional "oncologist" or Candice being interviewed by Andrew & Julian...

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    3. Yes, that would be awesome. Sometimes a little satire is just the thing.

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  7. Just a quick thought... I must admit I have only skimmed across the article but she mentions a test where she was given sugar.

    It might be that she had a glucose based PET scan.
    Its possible in follow up her thyroglobulin level was raised, a iodine scan was negative and then a subsequent PET scan showed the lung disease to be glucose-avid. Its hard because i really dont think she understands the difference between nuclear med scan, CT, MRI and PET. And its hard to know if her thryoid replacement therapy was appropriate at the time - as this will effect the iodine scan.

    But, if this was the case her response to repeat RAI would be likely to be poor and they may have actually had to consider chemo (though my understanding is long response rates are poor). If she is in this group it is a very small percentage of patients with thyroid cancer, but it may add to the atypical way her story is unfolding. And makes it hard to understand the clinical decision making process and harder still to subsequently critique the likelihood of longterm survival with conventional therapy. I think this has some parallel with Ainscough having the epitheloid variant of sarcoma. Sarcoma is a vary broad range of tumours and epitheloid acts kinda differently to your 'average' sarcoma (if there is such a thing).


    It is difficult to know how to navigate this. For example - If we are too critical of her saying she was advised chemo (rather than RAI) and it turns out is may have been indicated it gives ammunition to the alternate side to disregard the many valid criticisms of the story...

    Of course its difficult to dissect out the truth as what bits we know are being filtered through a person ill-equiped person to understand the process herself let alone convey it to others.

    Hope it helps.

    (and totally agree that the intervening commentary is hilarious! :D)

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    1. And in the interests of being appropriately referenced -

      Resistance of [18f]-fluorodeoxyglucose-avid metastatic thyroid cancer lesions to treatment with high-dose radioactive iodine.
      Thyroid. 2001 Dec;11(12):1169-75.
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=12186505

      (just to be clear - i believe no single paper should dictate clinical practice :D)

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    2. I believe it was Candice herself who was going back and forth between chemo and radiation, and that was where we were getting a lot of our confusion. She does not do a very good job of describing what happened to her, which I believe at least is done somewhat on purpose so that her "I cured cancer naturally using food" story is more believable. If she had an atypical case, then I find it strange that she would not say that, and often. To me, that would be the first thing a person in her position would say. Right now, people are just asking questions and analyzing her words, which are a bit fuzzy and need to be put together like a puzzle piece. I am sure that many points people raise here will be wrong, but it still must be done. Candice may, at any time, write a clear start to finish narrative of her illness and set this all straight, but instead she goes on facey and calls us trolls and government spies.

      The thing that I am concerned about the most is the fact that she put it out there that she had stage four mets in liver which she cured using food. That is the part of her story that needs to be made really, really clear.

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    3. One more thing: Candice also put it out there that she was given five years to live. Much of the detail of her treatment is not that important to me. What bother me is that she has put it out there that she was given five years to live, had stage four liver mets, and that she cured it all naturally using the NORI protocol. That is the big picture and I do not want it getting lost in too detailed an analysis of her often confusing narrative. That is what Candice needs to prove: she had stage four liver mets, was given five years to live, and cured it all using pineapples.

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    4. Excellent point, Violet.
      Must keep the big picture in mind.

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    5. Hi Jared,

      I think I have heard about the scenario you describe and this is what I sometimes worry about - that TGB would gradually rise and nothing would be visible on US or WBS, and then I would have to go find a place to get my PET scan to figure out where the disease is hiding. I might have googled incorrectly, I did it a long time ago, so I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that a patient would be sent to a PET scan once TGB has been rising for a while, reached a certain level and visual scans are still negative, i.e., it is not clear where exactly the cancer may be hiding?

      She has been saying in numerous posts that right after RAI her TGB marker was 13 ng/ml, then dropped down to 0.7 ng/ml 5 months later and now is at 0.3-0.2 after surgery+RAI, from what I read. Do those numbers fit with the PET idea?

      As to thyroid hormone replacement tactic, she has mentioned a T3 based regimen on FB, probably a patient of some sort of an alternative doctor again, but it is difficult to establish more precise dates. She definitely did not have standard T4 replacement.

      This is why I would love for her to actually publish her scans and documents.

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    6. As with all of this it is hard to say... It depends on timing of the scans in relation to the levels.

      It really is complex what contributes to these levels. The other thing to say is the level of her thyroid replacement therapy. If she is on T3/T4 therapy it will suppress her pituitary production of TSH (the hormone that stimulates any remaining thyroidal tissue) and this can suppress residual tumour activity. This is why it is important to know to interpret her iodine and PET scans.

      To be clear, that is another angle - her thyroxine replacement therapy, necessitated by having a total thyroidectomy, may suppress her TG levels (whether it makes a difference to survival for thryoid cancer is a potential but the data is not clear).

      Yet again, speculation is difficult.

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    7. Another post may have gone to the junk folder... sorry.

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    8. As an example of peer reviewed synthesis of the available data, here is an excerpt from UptoDate (Tuttle, Ross and Mulder).

      Thyroid hormone suppression — After initial thyroidectomy, whether or not radioiodine therapy is administered, levothyroxine therapy is required for all patients to prevent hypothyroidism and to minimize potential TSH stimulation of tumor growth. Our recommendations for initial thyroid hormone suppression therapy are as follows:

      ●For ATA low risk disease (table 2) – The serum TSH can be maintained between 0.1 and 0.5 mU/L until the patient demonstrates an excellent response to therapy (usually within the first 6 to 12 months) at which point the TSH can be kept at or slightly below the lower half of the reference range (0.3 to 2.0 mU/L).
      ●For ATA intermediate or high risk disease (table 2) – The serum TSH should be less than 0.1 mU/L.

      The hypothesis that reduction of serum TSH concentrations to below the normal range decreases morbidity and mortality in all patients with differentiated thyroid cancer has not been proven, but at least one study suggested improved relapse-free survival when serum TSH concentrations were undetectable during follow-up [16]. In another report from a multicenter prospective tumor registry, greater TSH suppression was associated with improved progression-free survival in high-risk papillary cancer patients [17]. The follow-up report from that registry indicated that lowering TSH levels aggressively was associated with improved overall survival in high risk differentiated cancer patients, whereas milder degrees of TSH suppression were still associated with excellent outcomes in patients with low risk features, eg, less than 45 years of age at diagnosis with primary tumors greater than 4 cm or gross extrathyroidal invasion and in patients older than 45 years at diagnosis with primary tumor sizes between 1 and 4 cm, multifocal disease, or microscopic extrathyroidal invasion [18].

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    9. ...On the other hand, in a randomized trial of suppressive versus replacement therapy in 433 Japanese patients with papillary thyroid cancer [19], with achieved mean TSH levels of 0.07 and 3.19 mU/L, respectively, disease-free, five-year survival, recurrence rates, and sites of recurrence were not significantly different between the two groups. However, the data might not be generalizable since the majority of the participants had lobectomies and prophylactic central neck dissections, and some had prophylactic lateral neck dissections, forms of surgery generally not done in most Western countries.

      These findings, combined with the risks of overly aggressive thyroxine therapy, including the potential for acceleration of bone loss [20-22], atrial fibrillation [23], and cardiac dysfunction [24-26], emphasize the importance of tailoring the levothyroxine dose to the extent of the disease and the likelihood of recurrence [27]. These decisions can be based in part upon staging by the TNM system (table 1) in conjunction with the proposed ATA risk of recurrence system (table 2) [7].


      If anyone wants the references for the above citations (numbers in the parentheses) then let me know.

      Also, Tuttle, Ross and Mulder, the authors, also disclose there potential conflicts of interest. Happy to provide them too. In addition to Uptodate's "conflict of interest' policy.

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    10. Thanks Jared and Auma. That fleshes out the issue a bit.

      The next two installments of the podcast transcript make it very plain, as Violet says, that Candice alleges that she had metastatic cancer which she cured herself with food.

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    11. Jared, for some reason your posts are far more likely than anyone else's to go into the spam folder. I have no idea why. Sorry. Do you want me to look in there now, or have you already written it here?

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    12. No problem. Splitting the post into two seemed to make the difference. (Just wanted to give an insight into the complexity of interpreting the data to work out what the best plan will be for an individual patient)

      Maybe they are too wordy? losing the links seemed to help too. Its all good - thanks though :).

      Then again... maybe there are counter-intelligence trolls/hackers funded by some covert global alternative-medicine group (the Illuminati?) to stop me distributing the findings of medical research from peer-reviewed sources! :p

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    13. Also, just saw your posts that include, "Oh and Candice, look I wish we did not have to run a full court press here, but this was the mistake people made with Jess Ainscough and Belle Gibson..." are wonderfully phrased. The point about the obituitary notices is heart breaking.

      Its a shame your reasonable and respectful explanation of your (and our collective) point of view is essentially buried in the masses of meaningless trash spouting from the David guy that adds nothing to meaningful discussion.

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    14. I was hesitant to use the word "we" because really I only know why I do this. But I assume that most of your reasons are at least similar to mine. What is so sad is if Candice were to really engage with us instead of just calling us trolls, then she might open her mind a bit and explore some other ideas. Can she really not see that name-calling is not working at all? I am completely impervious to it. It is childish and it is not an argument in any way. I hope she gets it that we are worthy "foes" and she can blow us off but we won't just go away any time soon.

      She wanted to be a public figure and now she is getting the public's opinion. If she does not like it, then she can stop being a public figure. It's her choice.

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    15. Yes, I was being presumptuous. I should just say the sentiments your expressed are very similar to my own.Trying to stimulate proper engagement in open discussion will be hard but worthwhile if possible. Difficult not to be directly argumentative but the less inflammatory the debate the more likely someone may listen and be convinced.

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    16. No I did use the word "we" and so it was I who was presumptuous. I guess I just really hate this leader/follower language that floats around the internet and I have been trying to avoid any smell of that here. Hence, not using "we" whenever possible. I do not think we will ever have a meaningful discussion with her, sadly.

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    17. Hi Jared,

      In comments on FB I mentioned that a change in TGB could also be explainable with TSH levels and suppression and that it is the "cherry on top" after surgery and radiation. Candice said that she is not as suppressed as the tests [sic!] would like, apparently thinking it is proof for pineapple cure. She keeps saying all the time that after radiation TGB was 13, then went down to 0.7 in 5 months until May and then decreased to, if I am not mistaken, 0.2 at the latest tests. Also tumors have disappeared.

      Not sure where PET scan would fit in and she hasn't mentioned timing for it. Tricky, but it actually does not change the severity of claims or the big picture, as Violet said. I will keep this in mind, too.



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    18. Hmm, I have an idea now:

      She says: In six months I went and had the test done, and it went from level 13, to naught-point-seven [0.7]. So no large tumours, just small-scale cellular cancer left in me.

      Doctor says this: But we still want to mop up that 0.7 with some more radiation

      If at that point there were no visible tumors on WBS, but TGB was still higher than they would like, PET scan could have been done during that check-up phase, I think.

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    19. And one more remark (I got all curious:)
      -----I went to one of [Tolman’s] things, and he basically said about Thyroxine being really bad, and I already knew it. Because I was getting really bad skin, like I had really bad acne, like everything was going wrong. And I found out that this one doctor in...Fremantle would give me natural thyroid tablets. So I went there, and ever since I've been seeing her, because she is a doctor in in the MD sense, but she's also...the only one who'll give me these natural ones, and she's all, she’s a balance."----

      Natural thyroid tablets sound a lot like dessicated porcine or bovine thyroid gland pills: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/armour.html. Don't know the name for them in Australia, but I've seen them mentioned a lot in patient forums - Armour, ERFA or something. If she is using those, her TGB results might be more difficult to interpret, because the dosing is not as reliable as with pure thyroxine. From what I have read, doctors try to talk cancer patients out of using NDT, because it is not as reliable in TSH suppression.

      Also, as far as I know, natural dessicated thyroid pills contain TGB as well. Can thyroglobulin amount in the pill also interfere with TGB readings in blood tests or maybe the mechanism is not as direct? I have read that in the case of cancer testing while being on NDT, some time before tests the patients are switched from Armour to synthetic T4/T3 to avoid incorrect test results.

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    20. just quickly before I go to bed...

      - the 'natural' thyroid products can have variable amounts of T3/T4 (and unnatural binder ingredients) so can have the TSH and TG suppressive effects.
      - hope that doctor in fremantle is watching her thyroid function tests, calcium and vit D (... there was the whole alleged hypoparathyroidism too)
      - I have a hypothesis that the downward trend in her TG levels may be completely explainable with the thyroidectomy + neck lymph node dissection, adjuvant RAI (which was still having its effect during the dropping TG levels) with the added thyroid suppressive therapy (be it thyroxine or dessicated porcine thyroid, etc.)
      - only thing is I dont know where the scan with the lung disease fits into it.
      - again speculation not very helpful... but it means that when she reveals her information it may be kinda internally consistent with what she has said. If this is the case it will only further galvanise the efforts of her and her supporters even though it is just the natural history of the disease treated with conventional methods.
      - will try to explain myself in more detail in the coming week.

      take care until then

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    21. Desiccated thyroid extract vs Levothyroxine in the treatment of hypothyroidism

      http://www.thyroid.org/patient-thyroid-information/ct-for-patients/vol-6-issue-8/vol-6-issue-8-p-3/

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  8. In my opinion the moment that gave flight to this lunacy seems to be when the oncologist told her she had 'done it all herself'. Who is this doctor? Will they confirm this story? Is this doctor now recommending a side of pineapple with their radiation if it works so well? Perhaps this doctor was just trying to placate a patient with a serious case of crazy eyes?

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    2. I have a soft spot for you too, RKB.

      And yes, my hope is that there's a very exasperated oncologist somewhere reading this blog and breathing a sigh of relief that someone out there is finally sorting all this out.

      Candice's oncologist, if you're reading this, we salute you.

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    3. Yes, Candice's oncologist or radiation therapist, I also salute you and express my condolences for having a patient like her. You must have patience worthy of a saint.

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  9. Great write up Ella.
    Some chemo therapies can kill, either by immune suppression followed by infection, or by direct unwanted effects. I knew a lady who nearly died of infection during an experimental aggressive breast cancer chemo. She died of the cancer a year later - medicine should always be balancing risk vs benefit.

    Auma, your comments have been very helpful. I think Candice misunderstood waiting for the radio-iodine to have its full effect as giving up. She's also giving her diet etc credit for what the radio-iodine did for her.

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    1. Thanks, DavidP. I do need to clarify that chemo obviously has risks. As others have said, it's about weighing those risks against the risk of dying from cancer. What Candice seems to imply, though, is that chemo always kills, or always does harm, and that you can cure cancer without it. That is a skewed and potentially dangerous understanding of the facts.

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    2. Thanks, David. I never expected that my own cancer experience would turn out to be helpful this way, but I am very glad I can clarify some things. Papillary thyca has some unusual treatment/diagnostic methods and great survival rates that a lot of people are not familiar with, making it easier for Candice to come up with these outrageous claims.

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  10. Violet, thank you for starting this blog. You are an intelligent, compassionate and eloquent individual. I had a look at Candice's Facebook page and you are consistently patient and to the point. Especially when Candice's family respond to your posts and posts from other intelligent people with this sort of thing:

    "Daniel Bent these "sheeple" will have an argument for everything! You'll give them an answer for one of their arguments which only leads them to another!..."

    Candice - yes, once you answer one question, there may very well be others left unanswered. Concerned parties will continue to ask questions until you provide medical evidence as proof of your cancer claims. That's how things work.

    Candice also says "I have said on countless occasions that I'll happily get a report made up once I have all my files/scans to hand yet they are still demanding I show them now when it's physically impossible to do so! Let's leave them with their sad existences and preserve our energy for the people that truly deserve it xx.."

    I'm wondering what 'get a report made up' means. Maybe she'll find her scans and make up her own report?

    Unfortunately I don't think Candice and her family/friends 'get' it, as in they're not following and understanding the conversation. Candice's mother defends her daughter with photos of 'troll spray' (scary).

    I hope Candice pulls down her site sooner rather than later, as the amount of drivel on her page is embarrassing. Especially from Daniel Bent.

    Afterall, 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'. I'm not sure who to attribute that quote to, I remember someone posted it to Belle Gibson's wall after she promised she'd donate some of her cash to charity...

    As far as posting medical evidence, I could probably provide proof of my own cancer in around 7 minutes - 2 minutes to find a decent scan, a minute to scan it to pdf, then a few minutes to post it somewhere. C'mon Candice, you've got a scanner, right?

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    1. Daniel's objection to my scans were that they could have been stolen from someone else's FB page. Therefore posts from Candice would be worthless? I don't get it. But then, I often find myself stumped by illogical claims. -M

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    2. Hmm, so her friend Daniel is arguing that there is no point in Candice providing medical evidence, because she could just steal someone else's scans? Sounds like he has a lot of faith in Candice's medical claims. I'm sure it would be much easier to produce her own scans rather than attempt to steal someone else's. Maybe she could buy some of Belle's scans? Oh that's right, she doesn't have any...

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    3. ---I'm wondering what 'get a report made up' means. Maybe she'll find her scans and make up her own report? ---

      Yes, she says she wants to find a trustworthy source to do an investigation and report. I'm afraid any source she considers trustworthy will be very irrelevant.

      I wrote in the "post to page" section on her FB, that she could just provide the scans and info from the hospitals and there is no need to come up with a report, because hospitals track treatments very well, but that post is not visible. Maybe it got sprayed with anti-troll spray and melted:/

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    4. The whole point was that no one would be "creating a report". It would just go up there on its own without analysis and we would work to get independent oncologists to offer their professional opinion on the matter. Having Candice create a report defeats the whole purpose of this, so I guess that it why she is going that route.

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    5. I didn't catch the use of the phrase "made up".
      Freudian slip, perhaps?

      But really, I just want a scan that shows she had thyroid cancer, a scan that shows she has benign tumors in the liver, and a scan that shows her lung involvement. With her name and the dates visible.

      Beyond that, if she wants to pull a "Chris Beat Cancer" and say that she had cancer, had conventional treatment, went into remission, and is keeping herself there by eating pineapples..whatever. That's stupid, but if it's based on her actual cancer story, it's no worse than a ton of people out there shilling their stuff online.

      Posting the scans isn't a hard thing for a cancer patient to do, so I don't understand why she's making such a fuss about it. Unless, of course, said scans don't exist.

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  11. Ella - thank you for your service to humanity by transcribing the Candice chronicles. I had a quick look but I just can't do it. An add popped up for the banana girl, that was almost worse. I shouldn't joke about this sort of thing (bad karma etc, negative energy) but if cancer doesn't get me, watching these podcasts for too long will.

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    2. Count your blessings: imagine transcribing an 80-odd minute long podcast featuring Candy's friend Daniel.

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  12. I could sell Candice copies of my latest scans. They are NED and a different kind of cancer, but I won't tell if you don't.

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  13. Well apparently now on "advice of her lawyer" Candice will not be posting her medical records, but rather some sort of report. That skips the entire purpose and is no good for getting to the truth. How sad. She promised to share her medical records. I told her not to waste her time then.

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  14. That's a shame. I was hoping Daniel would write the report. I'm sure he's 'basically an oncologist'. Or maybe he is her lawyer. Basically.

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  15. I'm not sure what is more entertaining - Ella's commentary or the drivel that Ms Fox's supporters are posting on her Facebook page. The only difference is that Ella is intentionally entertaining.

    Reading through these ongoing transcripts makes me want to headbutt the screen sometimes. Ms Fox is all over the place.

    The big question for me (and others posting on here) is the timing of her post-treatment scan and whether she has a similar scan pre-treatment. From what I have grasped she didn't have a pre-treatment scan. The post-treatment scan was likely not long after her RAI and I suspect showed what would have been present on a pre-treatment scan if she had one. And as everyone has said her resolution of disease is just a reflection of the RAI treatment doing its thing (which takes up to 12 months).

    I'm amazed she has said she has never heard of Belle Gibson and uses the excuse of not being interested in usual media and its associated stories. Even if she was unaware of Ms Gibson, it is encumbent on her to make herself aware of such cases due to the implications they have on her claims.

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  16. Ian, I think she does not understand the differences between different types of scans. She mentions having an MRI right after leaving post-RAI isolation "to see how iodine worked", when it should have been WBS i131. I am no medical specialist, but I cannot imagine not having a WBS after RAI, in fact there is no mention of that type of scan anywhere in her posts, just ultrasound, CT, MRI. In interview she mentions some kind of testing with "sugar", so there could have been a PET scan at some point as well, but that does not appear in any posts either.

    There is a post coming, where I tried my best to pull together approximate timing for different tests and scans based on her own retelling of events (so she can't say journalists again misrepresented something). Maybe somebody with professional medical background will be able to use that.

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    1. Yes Auma. Her understanding of imaging techniques seems poor. I am a medical specialist but not in endocrinology or endocrine surgery so cannot give an expert opinion in this area. However s MRI post-treatment doesn't make sense. A radionucleotide seems more appropriate - with a comparative pre-scan.

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    2. Out of interest, Ian, what's your specialty? Only if you feel comfortable revealing that.

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  17. I want to thank Dr Ofemo for helping me get cure of my HERPES SIMPLEX DISEASES, for like 3 yrs Now I have been suffering from HERPES SIMPLEX, but one day as I was surfing through the Internet I met a post about a woman called Lisa who was cured by Dr Ofemo so I decided to give it a try to see if he could save my life Luckily for me I was cured by him. I cannot stop thanking him for what he has done for me if you are into similar problem you can contact on drofemospelltemple@gmail.com is a great herbalist that treats and cure all manner of diseases like Herpes, HIV, Cancer, Syphilis, Hepatitis B, all types of Cancer, Gonorrhea, and solves life's problems that you might have etc.contact him today and he will help you solved your problem his email via drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or his web/site: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo or cell number +2348163387496 his web/site http://greatofemospelltemple.webs.com/

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  18. I want to thank Dr Ofemo for helping me get cure of my HERPES SIMPLEX DISEASES, for like 3 yrs Now I have been suffering from HERPES SIMPLEX, but one day as I was surfing through the Internet I met a post about a woman called Lisa who was cured by Dr Ofemo so I decided to give it a try to see if he could save my life Luckily for me I was cured by him. I cannot stop thanking him for what he has done for me if you are into similar problem you can contact on drofemospelltemple@gmail.com is a great herbalist that treats and cure all manner of diseases like Herpes, HIV, Cancer, Syphilis, Hepatitis B, all types of Cancer, Gonorrhea, and solves life's problems that you might have etc.contact him today and he will help you solved your problem his email via drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or his web/site: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo or cell number +2348163387496 his web/site http://greatofemospelltemple.webs.com/..

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  19. i want to use this medium to let everyone know that HIV/AIDS has cure and that Dr.Ofemo is the solution.am Sarah Wilson from United State i was tested HIV/AIDS positive once year 2013, then early this month August 21 i saw so many testimony on blog on how Dr.Ofemo known as herbalist spiritual' cured people with his herbal medicine, i did not believe but i just decided to give him a try, I contacted him and he prepare the herbs cure for me which i took, after taking it in 2 week, he told me to go for check up, could you believe that i was confirm HIV/AIDS Negative after the test, and i went to a different hospital and it was also Negative, i am so happy. If you have any problem or you are also infected with any disease like Herpes, HIV, Cancer, Syphilis, Hepatitis B, all types of Cancer, Gonorrhea, and solves life's problems that you might have etc. kindly contact him now;drofemospelltemple@gmail.com thank you once again his email via drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or his web/site:
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  20. i want to use this medium to let everyone know that HIV/AIDS has cure and that Dr.Ofemo is the solution.am Sarah Wilson from United State i was tested HIV/AIDS positive once year 2013, then early this month August 21 i saw so many testimony on blog on how Dr.Ofemo known as herbalist spiritual' cured people with his herbal medicine, i did not believe but i just decided to give him a try, I contacted him and he prepare the herbs cure for me which i took, after taking it in 2 week, he told me to go for check up, could you believe that i was confirm HIV/AIDS Negative after the test, and i went to a different hospital and it was also Negative, i am so happy. If you have any problem or you are also infected with any disease like Herpes, HIV, Cancer, Syphilis, Hepatitis B, all types of Cancer, Gonorrhea, and solves life's problems that you might have etc. kindly contact him now;drofemospelltemple@gmail.com thank you once again his email via drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or his web/site:
    http://greatofemospelltemple.webs.com/ or cell number +2348163387496 his web/site http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo.

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