[Written by reader Ella as a guest post].
Well, Candice-Marie Fox has apparently flipped out. The thin veneer of grace has collapsed, and she’s resorted to accusing detractors on her Facebook page of being “trained government agents.” I’m simply not going to engage on that. Not because it would be beneath me, but because if I blow my cover, my handler will put a burn notice on me faster than I can say ‘Natalia Romanova.’
For those catching up, I’m transcribing much of Candice’s comments on an obscure little homespun YouTube series called “The Statera Podcast.” Yesterday, we left off at the point where Candice claims that “the guy” standing in for her actual doctor broke the news to her that “the cancer [had] spread” and she only had “five years left to live.” Today, we get the scoop on Mark Simon, another guy standing in for an actual doctor.
But first, I urge you, comrades - whether you work for MI6, the CIA or Vladimir Putin – be careful out there. The sinister pineapple industry is a global threat, bent on nothing short of world domination. Don’t go out alone, always wear a trenchcoat, and please, whatever you do, carry antacids at all times.
Candice on Cancer, Part 3: “Natural chemo…doesn’t do anything to your body.”
CANDICE: “After…when he said that, ‘you’ve got five years, basically,’ I just instantly was just like ‘no.’ Like ‘something’s gotta change,’ like instantly, I was just like, ‘I can’t do this.’ So then that’s when I was just like, ‘F*** you!’ I was just like, ‘I’m gonna do it myself.’ Like, that’s when I just knew.
So I went back to my partner and their family, and I explained that I wanted to do it, and they were…because they’d seen that the surgery and everything had spread it, you know. They’d seen that what we thought was gonna help me, didn’t help me…Like my partner’s mum, she was amazing, she took me all over, to appointments, and…just really helped me kinda like get to where I needed to be and do it the natural way, basically.”
SNARY: “So helping you research, and look into different methods.”
CANDICE: “Yeah! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It just worked out really well after that. We started getting organic veggies shipped in, just everything organic, all clean. I stopped eating meat. I mean, the family at the time, they weren’t too keen on the whole ‘not eating meat.’ My mother-in-law, I remember her saying to me, ‘You’re losing too much weight, and you’re looking really skinny.’ And I just thought it was an attack, so I was like ‘F*** you! I’m not looking skinny, I’m looking amazing,’ you know? Instantly.
But now I look back at pictures, and I’m like, ‘S***, she was so right.’ But you instantly just think, I just felt attacked all the time.”
SNARY: “But that’s probably just your mental faculties at the time, as well - very emotional time for you, as well.”
CANDICE: “Oh, very. And then I look back at the pictures, and I’m like, ‘oh.’ I looked ill. Like, I looked iller [sic] after the cancer was going [sic], because I went to the extreme. So I was just like, ‘right, I’ve got to get rid of this myself.’ Like, ‘I’m in control, I have to.’ So I was just so strict. Like, I went on Google, found out…tomatoes, pineapple, like all this stuff…[trails off].
I went on a website, ‘doctorsaredangerous.com,’ and that took me through to Mark Simon. And Mark Simon was just, like, a scientist in America. He lost his wife to breast cancer eight years previous [sic], and so after that he saw the treatment of her – like, she went through the chemo and stuff – and he saw her be killed by chemo, basically. So he turned all of his efforts, and his scientific knowledge, onto finding a cure. And so as soon as I heard about him, I was like, ‘right, he’s the guy.’ And he was curing people through nutrition.
So I messaged him and he explained that it was like six grand [$6000] for his, like,
services…for a lifetime. So I was just like ‘well, I don’t have that.’ So at the time I was working up at the mines, and my partner at the time actually was amazing through this part; he went and went in all the crib rooms and…got some donations for me to jump out of a plane. So…I think it was New Zealand, Queenstown, and we were gonna jump out of a plane, and ended up raising like six grand and paid him the money.”
CANDICE: “Yeah. And [Mark Simon] was just like ‘oh.’ Because he was just gonna treat me for free! And the reason why he charges six grand is…so he can give it for free to people that can’t afford it.”
SNARY: “Like a scholarship sort of system, almost.”
I’ll just skip over the obvious fact that this “almost scholarship” doesn’t involve any actual scholarship, to point out the following: Candice claims that Simon’s fee was $6000, and Candice paid $6000. I don’t know how you twist that into a “scholarship system.” That would be like me paying my own way through university, only to have them tell me when I paid my fees in full that my education was actually free, and the money will go to other students poorer than I. As it happens, Candice gleefully suggests that Simon didn’t allocate the funds to other patients anyway, but funnelled it into his business:
CANDICE: “I said, ‘I don’t have the six grand now,’ but because I was working [up?] away, I said, ‘I can get it, just give me…a while, like, I’ll give it to you.’
And he was just like, ‘no, I’ll send it [the supplements?] now.’
So then I was like, ‘Do you know what? Let’s just raise the money, get more awareness,’ and just give, like, whatever we could. And it worked out so well, because we gave him the money, and he got a new website and all, all…sent me the stuff, and basically it was a high dose of vitamin K3 and sodium selenite.
So what I would do, is I would go on…because I was already like, I had quit everything myself. And then as soon as I went on his protocol, I just noticed such a difference. So it was like seven days of fruit only. Like pineapple, massive bromelain eats away at the protective protein layer of the cancer. And then Vitamin K3, like high greens [?], zaps the cancer and kinda kills it. So there’s a whole science behind it.”
Uh huh, okay. So what Candice appears to be saying here is that she cut the necessary things out of her diet herself (meat, dairy, negative thoughts, etc.), and then all Mark Simon had to do was supply the supplements, and the “protocol.” You don’t get a whole lot of bang for your buck, so it’s just as well it was absolutely free (except for the $6000 Candice offered as a charitable donation).
Just to be absolutely clear, the American Cancer Society states that “there are no available scientific studies that have looked at whether bromelain shrinks tumors.” Scott Gavura looks at bromelain in more detail at www.sciencebasedmedicine.org and concludes that “the data are not impressive.” He also points out that a discovery of this magnitude would be “Nobel-worthy.” If bromelain shrinks tumours, pharmaceutical companies would make a fortune on it. Throw in a helpful “protocol,” and they could probably make, like, I don’t know, six grand per patient maybe?
Meanwhile, Candice attempts to explain the regime, but it’s confusing:
CANDICE: “And then…seven days after, so it’s like a a seven day/seven day cycle, so seven days of fruit only, and then I think days eight, nine, ten, I take in the morning sodium selenite and the vitamin K, two or three, and then the rest of the time I just eat what I want, but like vegan still, more nuts, avo[cado], just healthy.”
SNARY: “Sure. Make sure it’s healthy, yeah.”
CANDICE: “Everything, like, vegan; started meditating; yoga I was doing a lot. And I just done [sic]…it went in cycles…I think it got to like three or four cycles of doing this. And my partner and his family at the time, they’d laugh at me at that time, because I’d lock myself in the bathroom and meditate…so literally I’m sit [sic] on the toilet, and I would like, you know [swaying back and forth], get at one with the world. Obviously pants-up, you know, just purely with myself and the heavens. And I just mediated. And I could hear them all outside taking the p***, but I was like, ‘It’s all right, I know what I’m doing.’ And it worked! Like, it all calmed me…the meditation calmed me, and after three or four cycles…”
SNARY: “How long did that take, the three or four cycles?”
Adrian has obviously picked up on the fact that Candice isn’t being very clear about what a “cycle” is. All we really know is that she takes supplements, and mediates pants-up.
CANDICE: “So it’s three…so, basically it was…I just kept going ‘round one after the other. So I was like seven days of fruit, then the three days…of, like, the vitamins, the high dose…they’re like natural chemo, is basically what it is, and they’re…without killing all the cells, like this is just pure natural, it doesn’t do anything to your body, and then the rest you’re eating food, and then I done it again [sic]. So I done [sic] seven days of…so I done it [sic] one after the other.”
That doesn’t clear up anything, but at least we can agree on one thing: “natural chemo…doesn’t do anything to your body.”
CANDICE: “And then once you’ve got rid of the cancer, you keep it as a maintenance. So now I do it…once every six months. But after three cycles, so that was like, say, six months after I got the scan, and they were like, ‘oh, it’s level 13, you know, you’re gonna die in five years, ra ra ra,’ …literally six months, I went in and got all my tests done with them.”
I’ll just jump in here and say I don’t personally know what she means by “level 13,” so hopefully one of our savvy commenters can explain that.
CANDICE: “Because they…when I got diagnosed, when they gave me the five year sentence, I said, ‘Oh, is there anything I can do?’ And they were like, ‘look, come back in maybe…we can’t do anything now because you’ve had so much done to you, but come back in maybe six, maybe nine, nine more…maybe a year, come back in year, and we’ll give you some chemo.
And instantly alarm bells rung [sic]…because my best friend Jamie, he was 31, he died because of chemo. Like he found a lump in his testicles, they cut it out, it spread to his stomach, he went and had chemo. It weakened his immune system, and they put him into an induced coma, he had a heart attack, like…all because of the chemo, basically. It weakened him.
And then my little cousin Frankie, she was thirteen, she found like a little pea-sized tumour on her head, went through…really aggressive chemo over Christmas and all sorts of horrors, and yeah she passed away. I think it was the second lot of chemo...So as soon as they said it to me, I was already like ‘no.’ Like, ‘that’s how I know you’re gonna kill me.’ So that’s when I was just like ‘I definitely have to do this myself, now. Like there’s no…if I don’t do this in 6 to 9 months, then they’re gonna kill me.’”
These deaths must have been devastating, but Candice seems to be under the impression that her friends died as a result of their treatment, rather than that they died of cancer in spite of treatment. She also seems to be under the false impression that her own cancer had spread throughout her body.
CANDICE: “And then I was like, ‘if I don’t do it, then fine, like, maybe chemo. Do you know what I mean?”
SNARY: “Yeah…you have to do it yourself, just try it yourself, at least.”
By this time, Candice’s nonsense has crossed the line from self-delusion to advice. She and Snary are disseminating information encouraging people with cancer to postpone medical treatment recommended by their physicians for up to a year. A year is long enough for a treatable cancer to become untreatable. A year is long enough for a cancer patient to die.
CANDICE: “I have to…in this 6 to 9 months, if I make it worse, if it's more than [level] 13, then okay. Chemo, go, whatever. You know? But if I can get it down less, and I just had this…I was so passionate, and I just knew that…I just wanted to prove them wrong, because they…I just wanted…to mainly prove that chemo was to blame for all these horror stories. And I knew it was, but…I just wanted to make sure in my mind that…I weren’t [sic] going to go down that route.”
Of course, even if Candice had miraculously cured her own cancer with pineapple, it wouldn’t prove that her friend and her cousin died because of chemotherapy.
Suddenly, an unexpected twist:
SNARY: “But it can help as well, chemo.”
CANDICE: “Yeah, but…it kills the good and the bad cells. Like, it does help…”
SNARY: “It just wipes away everything.”
CANDICE: “So basically, if it does help, and you're like ‘oh yeah, I've had chemo, it's gone, blah blah blah,’ it's not forever. I've done so much research now. It's like, all them [sic] pharmaceutical drugs, they've got a lifespan. Like ten years and stuff. Because the cells are so tiny. So like when they cut me open, and they took the cancer out, like the tiny cells, kinda like the cancer cells, go all over to the body and they hide in places. So if they're not got [sic], they're gonna come out later with secondary cancers and *then* you're gonna be killed, basically...same with chemo...it's not good for the body, it weakens the immune system. And when it gets rid of it, if it does, it's definitely – well, lots of cases come back because of it. Unless you’re gonna keep up the healthy lifestyle.”
Now, I’ve read bowls of alphabet soup more coherent than this. But if I’m understanding this correctly, Candice is suggesting three things:
1. That surgery to remove cancer actually spreads cancer throughout the body, and that those cells scatter and conceal themselves in some kind of diabolical game of hide and seek.
2. That the “same” thing happens with chemo – that chemo spreads cancer cells throughout the body, and forces them underground, so to speak, only to have them pop up ten years later.
3. That chemo doesn’t actually destroy cancer, it just keeps it at bay for up to a decade, like a UN peacekeeping force.
This is pure, undiluted stupidity. And she’s not even done yet:
CANDICE: “When I said to the doctors about, you know, they said, ‘you’re gonna die in five years,’ and I was like, ‘well what should I do then, in the 6 to 9 months, should I change my diet? What should I do?’ And they were like, ‘Diet’s got nothing to do with it.’”
SNARY [outraged]: “WHAT?!?”
CANDICE: “The thing that made me laugh is that the test that they do to test for cancer is a glucose-based syrup.”
CANDICE: “Yeah. So it's like, it's a sugar. They feed it, to test where the cancer is, and that's what, like alarm bells went in my head again. So many things that happened along the way, errors, where my intelligence just kicked in. I was like, ‘hang on, if diet really has nothing to do with it, why are you giving me sugar to see where the cancer is?’”
SNARY: “Yeah, definitely!”
I’m beginning to think what Candice actually has is dysfunctional alarm bells. They seem to go off at odd times, for no good reason. I once had a similar problem with a smoke alarm.
CANDICE: “It's just, you know, all these things happened. And then yeah, so I proved them wrong. In six months I went and had the test done, and it went from level 13, to naught-point-seven [0.7]. So no large tumours, just small-scale cellular cancer left in me. And when I said to my nuclear oncologist, she was so shocked. And I was just like, ‘so, can I have it come from your mouth, that this is not the radiation that's done this, this is not anything you've done, this is what I've done, since leaving you?’
And she was just like, ‘look, I kinda hate to admit it, but it can't be...because...when we tested you, it was just level 13, now it's 0.7.’ She goes, ‘It's nothing to do with us. But we still want to mop up that 0.7 with some more radiation.’”
So it’s more radiation now? Not chemo?
CANDICE: “So I was just like, ‘Are you f*****g sh*****g me?’ And that’s when I sat there and I said, ‘I want to be real with you now. I’ve had the worst and the best…last few months, and I know you're not a bad person…I know that you think giving me radiation is good for me. You really do, you think you're doing good.’”
SNARY: “That's what she's been indoctrinated into.”
CANDICE: “Yeah. And I said, ‘But you're not. You're not gonna give me broccoli. I love my broccoli. But you're not gonna give me broccoli, and say that cures cancer. You're just not gonna do that. Because you deal in radiation, but I'm here to tell you that radiation doesn't really work. Like, you didn't tell me that it ups my chance of leukemia by 70%, did you?’
And she was like…‘Why worry about one cancer when you're dealing with one now?’ That's what she said to me!
And I was like, ‘Because I don't want another cancer down there! Why can't I deal with all these cancers and wipe them out? [...] That didn’t make sense to me either, and I was just like, ‘Look, I'm not gonna take it […] I'm not going down your route anymore, and I don't want to come for any thyroid clinics, I don't want to do anything that you...’
And she instantly was just like, ‘you know that you could be killing yourself.’ Same, same thing!”
SNARY: “Even after the results are in, and she'd seen the results for herself?”
CANDICE: “Because it's 0.7! There's 0.7. And she goes, ‘This 0.7 could be hiding somewhere, and it could blow up.’”
SNARY: “Well, it could though, as well.”
You know, every so often - if you’re vewy, vewy quiet – you can catch Snary saying something reasonable. If only the same was true of Candice!
CANDICE: “Yeah, it could. But it's gonna blow up more if she gives me more radiation. Like, I'm gonna get more cancers if she radiates me again than if I'm gonna go and juice for six more months. Like, I don't get it! I don't even understand why they think it's okay. How do they justify it to themselves? Like do they get loads of free holidays, or, like, how does it work?”
Just a few minutes earlier, Snary and Candice agreed that chemo “can help,” and “the pharmaceutical industry…[does] have a benefit,” but now she’s saying conventional cancer treatment makes cancer worse, and that oncologists recommend radiation because the pharmaceutical companies ply them with free holidays. Snary jumps in to explain why Candice is so much smarter than actual phsyicians:
SNARY: “I think again, like we just spoke about, it's that whole indoctrination. They're brought up like...”
CANDICE: “Yeah. They're not getting nutritional teachings.”
SNARY: “Yeah, or even if they do, it’s probably not enough.”
CANDICE: “Like, six hours or something.”
SNARY: “Yeah, something like that. But, you know…it's hard to even blame the doctors, I feel. Like if they've grown up thinking a certain way since they were kids and then they're teenagers and then they're going to university, they get indoctrinated into, like...”
CANDICE: “That’s true. It just annoys me […]. You just want to shake everyone. This is why I understood, like I appreciate, because she really was genuinely worried for me, you know? She was like, ‘Oh, well done, I’m so happy you’ve done this,’ you know. She didn’t like to admit it, which is what she said, but she was happy for me. She was like, ‘I’m really, you know, I’m pleased that it’s gone, but you’ve still got the 0.7! Let’s radiate this! Let’s mop it up!’ [hitting the table]. You know? I was just like, ‘Are you for f****** real?’”
I walked out of there, and I went home that day, and I was bawling my eyes out, because I [was] again doubting myself, even though I'd done all this myself, again I was like, ‘oh my god, am I gonna kill myself? [...] And I was just like, ‘I just am so confused.’ I’m like, ‘this 0.7, you know? I know I've got rid of that lot, but this 0.7, what if I can never get rid of that?’ …Then I was just like, ‘F***. I'm feeding the cancer right now.’ [ie. with the negativity].
And then I spoke to Mark Simon from NORI, which is like ‘Nutritional Oncology Research Institute’ in L.A., the guy who blew my mind with the science of, like, pineapple […]. He is amazing…I spoke to my mother-in-law, and we just…yeah, both kinda decided, ‘look, just keep doing what I’m doing,’ I mean, I was just like, ‘I have to. I can’t do any more radiation.’ And then yeah, that was it.”
SNARY: “And then you went back again?”
CANDICE: “Yeah, from then I just would go to a doctor’s…basically they gave me Thyroxine, and I went to a Don Tolman - you know Don Tolman?”
Yeah, I know Don Tolman. He’s a quack in a John Wayne costume who advocates something called “Self Care,” which ironically you can’t really do yourself. It’s based on an “ancient,” “sacred meal” called “Pulse” (singular, capital ‘p’). “Pulse” has apparently been “passed through the ancient mystery schools of learning,” and influenced by “Leonardo Da Vinci,” “Pythagoras,” and “Daniel from the Old Testament,” although not necessarily in that order.
If you’re thinking you’d have to consult ancient sources for this ancient health secret, and prepare the ancient, sacred meal yourself, I’ve got great news for you. You can actually purchase this mystical muesli directly from Don’s website, for only $28.00 per single-serve bag!
I can’t really do Don’s claims justice here, but I do want to point out that he claims that modern medicine has “sadly become an industry that thrives on the perpetuation of sickness and disease through false diagnostics, unnecessary treatments and surgeries - and huge corporate interests and agendas are driving that entire business globally.” Sound familiar?
CANDICE: I went to one of [Tolman’s] things, and he basically said about Thyroxine being really bad, and I already knew it. Because I was getting really bad skin, like I had really bad acne, like everything was going wrong. And I found out that this one doctor in...Fremantle would give me natural thyroid tablets. So I went there, and ever since I've been seeing her, because she is a doctor in in the MD sense, but she's also...the only one who'll give me these natural ones, and she's all, she’s a balance. She's like, ‘Candice, don't be stupid.’ You know, she's just like ‘do this, do that.’ Because I told her I wanted to be a bodybuilder...and then I said that my trainer was gonna put me on meat five times a day, and then she was like ‘Candice, darling,’ she goes, ‘you had cancer. Don't you think you need greens, not meat?’”
Candice then discusses her plans to become a bodybuilder, and her discover of a raw vegetarian bodybuilder called Michelle Nazaroff. I’ll spare you the details.
CANDICE: “Now I'm just attracting people…like you, do you know what I mean?”
Yeah, he knows what she means. Although this ‘law of attraction’ hypothesis doesn’t explain how she attracted detractors, like Violet.
CANDICE: “I'm attracting amazing people, like, that just...everybody resonates with me now, and I'm my own health doctor. I'm my own warrior...I listen to myself more, I'm mediating more...I'm more in control now, and I don't listen to that fear. See, the second time they wanted to give me radiation, I was scared again, and I look back at that and I'm like, ‘why did I get that scared again, when I'd...got rid of so much of the cancer myself?’...But it is because you're with these authoritarian people, you know, who are educated, they know their s***, apparently. Like, they are good at broken bones and stuff like that, you know? They are good at things like that. But when it comes to cancer and...diseases like that...to be honest, I just think it's a money-making industry, like, cancer is a multi-trillion dollar industry. So, to me, it's like they don't want a cure. Like opening somebody up, cutting 'em, giving oxygen to the cancer and spreading it, it's not the way.”
SNARY: “It's really archaic. It seems archaic.”
CANDICE: “It's barbaric...it's not right. And I really wanna do as much as I can with the time that I have left to change it.”
I'm not sure how Mark Simon's alleged six thousand dollar fee fits into this worldview, or Don Tolman’s sacred muesli empire, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of actual physicians who volunteer their services to patients in developing countries, or the countless millions who have been cured of cancer with conventional medicine. But what’s interesting here is that Candice is about to fill us in on her future plans – grand, weird, lucrative plans. She explains her newfound psychic ability, the health retreat she’s coordinating on the party island of Ibiza, and a TV series she plans to make about that retreat.
Whatever Candice says in defence of her marketing in recent days (eg. she can’t prevent errors in print media articles, she never said pineapples cured her cancer, she never said she had liver cancer, etc.), her views about the supposed dangers of conventional medicine and the efficacy of alternative medicine in treating cancer are all recorded here, and she plainly delineates her intentions to parlay those views into a lucrative brand.
I know I told you I could break this interview into three parts, but I was mistaken. I hadn’t finished reviewing the material at that time, and I made an estimate that, in hindsight, was ill-informed. This podcast review is going to take up five blog posts. Before I knew it, my estimate was in print, and impossible to retract. I sincerely apologise to anyone who may have been misled by that statement. I had the best of intentions.
(See, Candice? That wasn’t so hard).